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« on: July 25, 2011, 02:55:04 AM »


http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Priests-will-to-go-to-jail-rather-than-break-the-seal-of-the-confessional-125842888.html

Priests will to go to jail rather than break the seal of the confessional
Say seal of confession means they cannot disclose wrongdoings
By CATHY HAYES,IrishCentral Staff Writer


A founding member of the Association of Catholic Priests has said he would he would rather choose to serve time in prison rather than break the seal of confession.

In the wake of the Cloyne report the Irish government stated that priests who fail to report child abuse disclosed to them during confession, to the relevant authorities could face up to five years in prison...
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 07:27:08 AM »

I'm pretty sure this was happing in Louisiana too.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 09:38:44 AM »

The justice system has other means of getting prosecutions, surely, than investigating what was said to priests, especially since an oral confession heard years ago is on pretty soggy ground for admissibility, or so it seems to me.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 06:05:30 PM »

Just out of curiosity, do Eastern Orthodox priests hold themselves to the same standard,  I.e. the seal of the confessional? Or would they report a confession of crime to the police?
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 07:09:31 PM »

If the Priest refused to "break the seal of confession," then how would the police or anyone know what - if anything had been confessed to him in the first place?

Are the confessionals all bugged now or something?

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 07:25:02 PM »

Just out of curiosity, do Eastern Orthodox priests hold themselves to the same standard,  I.e. the seal of the confessional? Or would they report a confession of crime to the police?

There is, as I understand it, a variance of opinion here. However, an Orthodox priest is not required to give absolution when he hears a confession. He may withhold it until such time as the penitent turns himself in to the police. Orthodox confession is also not anonymous or necessarily formulaic. There is time for counsel and conversation. The priest has to answer to God as a witness for the penitent's repentance, and this, I think, would include how the penitent made things right with those he offended--victims, society, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 07:40:26 PM »

Just out of curiosity, do Eastern Orthodox priests hold themselves to the same standard,  I.e. the seal of the confessional? Or would they report a confession of crime to the police?

I think this post from our own Fr. Chris should help answer your question.

Nothing told to Christ in Confession and witnessed by me can be divulged. Full stop.

However, there is always the counseling after the confession. Yes, if/when criminal activity is confessed, I do my best to reinforce to the penitent the importance of being repentant, part of which is setting the record straight.

Yes, I've driven children to stores to apologize to the store owner for stealing something, but it's the child who does all the talking; I say nothing.

If a person confesses something criminal to me that would be such as murder, child molestation, etc I would do all I could to help the penitent go to the legal authorities and help the victim or family have peace of mind. Thank God nothing like that has occurred yet....I have enough trouble with 'incense getting in my eyes' when hearing the pain caused to my parishioners from "every day" sins, and nothing as demonic as violent crime.

But, nothing said in Confession can be divulged. Ever.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 11:30:07 PM »

Thanks, Peter.  (I wasn't asking to be provocative, just honestly was not sure.  Smiley )
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 01:31:27 AM »

Thanks, Peter.  (I wasn't asking to be provocative, just honestly was not sure.  Smiley )
I didn't take your sincere inquiry as an attempt to provoke. Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 03:06:03 AM »

In my understanding if the seal of confession is broken there can be jail time in after life. Anhow that is bad news for Ireland.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 03:53:32 AM »

In my understanding if the seal of confession is broken there can be jail time in after life.
Where did you hear this? Huh
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2011, 04:21:53 AM »

Fr Cleopa or some other writtings.I don't remember exactly, just the idea i remember.
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