mono(mia)physite/eastern orthodox

[Shanghaiski]

I think that citing miracles as "proof" that one faith is wrong and another is right is just unscholarly. I think it is a sign of desperation. What if I cited the miracles performed by our Teacher Dioscoros and Patr. St Severus as "proof" I am right and you guys are wrong? What makes your miracles any more verifiable/valid than mine?

Personally, I do not cite them as proof. There are plenty of other proofs which are totally non-miraculous, which I can site--such as the ecumenical councils themselves, which is my "proof" just as yours is the writings of your saints and your councils. I would be interested in an exposition that was historical, detailed, and unbiased, where a non-polemical discussion could take place, but I won't hold my breath since we have different ways of seeing things in the first place and are both convinced of our rightness.

[Severian]

Personally, I do not cite them as proof. There are plenty of other proofs which are totally non-miraculous, which I can site--such as the ecumenical councils themselves, which is my "proof" just as yours is the writings of your saints and your councils. I would be interested in an exposition that was historical, detailed, and unbiased, where a non-polemical discussion could take place, but I won't hold my breath since we have different ways of seeing things in the first place and are both convinced of our rightness.

I personally don't cite the writings of my Saints as "proof" I am right either. I have studied Chalcedon and have come to the conclusion that it was deeply flawed, which is why I don't think I could ever join the EO communion. However, I appreciate the fact that you seem to see things more reasonably than many of your co-religionists do. But, thanks for sharing your thoughts nonetheless.

Peace and blessings,
Severian

[Salpy]

I found Abbot Daniil's account:

http://www.holyfire.org/eng/doc_Daniil.htm#hol

It dates to 1106-1107, a time when the Catholics, not the Turks, were in control of Jerusalem.  I tried finding the above described "miracle" which discredits the Armenians, but to no avail.


Try again.

[Shanghaiski]

I found Abbot Daniil's account:

http://www.holyfire.org/eng/doc_Daniil.htm#hol

It dates to 1106-1107, a time when the Catholics, not the Turks, were in control of Jerusalem.  I tried finding the above described "miracle" which discredits the Armenians, but to no avail.


Try again.

Why do you take an adversarial tone with me? I was trying to be helpful to YOUR question. I apologize for misremembering.

[Salpy]

Please forgive my tone.  In the private forum we've been getting a lot of stuff like this thrown at us lately, and it's getting to me.

Sorry.   

[Shanghaiski]

Please forgive my tone.  In the private forum we've been getting a lot of stuff like this thrown at us lately, and it's getting to me.

Sorry.   

May God forgive us all! And may He enlighten good-willed, knowledgeable folks to work on overcoming our divisions in an Orthodox way. Our holy fathers on both sides did not resort to name calling and were magnanimous even in the face of hostility. If we can chip away the crusty calculus of centuries of polemics and suspicion, we may be able to better view the heart of the matter. I speak not at you, Salpy, but at the general debate, which I find all too often to be far too shallow.

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