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New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« on: July 24, 2011, 02:22:15 PM »
New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage

A town clerk in western New York says she's resigning over her religious opposition to gay marriage.
 
Laura Fotusky submitted a letter of resignation to the town board in Barker on Monday, saying her religious beliefs prevent her from signing a marriage certificate for a gay couple, as she'd be required to do as a municipal clerk. The letter was published on the website of the Christian lobbying group New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms...
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 02:36:48 PM »
Wow!  Good for her!  That took courage.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 03:50:38 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 05:03:06 PM »
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2011, 05:06:05 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2011, 06:13:27 PM »
Glory to God! Many years!
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2011, 06:30:25 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing.

Everything.

The State can either protect and promote marriage as the institution the Church knows and this country held from its founding, or the State can attack it from all sides, like it is.

I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society.
A nice earthquake dumping SF and Hollywood into the sea, and global warming putting NYC under a mile of water could help.

A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say.
It has everyting to do with society, and the Church is in the world, even if not of the world.

Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully).

LOL.  Boy are you dreaming.

The first lesbian couple to get "married" (and then broke up less than a year later, with orders of protection, after living together over a decade. Btw, NY has had gay divorce for a while, having divorced a MA or Quebec couple years ago IIRC.  Same thing here in IL.  The first gay civil unions were July 2, but the first gay divorces were filed July 1) said that they couldn't accept civil unions because married "means society accepts us and people have to accept us as a married couple."  And you don't think that they are going to ram that acceptance down any disagreeing throats? LOL.

Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 
And gays can force Christians out of foster care and adoption, and force explicit gay sex material into the school curriculum.  It has already happened.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2011, 07:34:03 PM »
Wow, somebody believes whatever he hears on the talk shows...  ::)
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2011, 07:40:32 PM »
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LOL.  Boy are you dreaming.

Yes, I suppose I am. I dare to dream of a world where people live and let live and don't get their knickers in a knot over who legally resides with whom.  :)
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2011, 07:40:48 PM »
Wow, somebody believes whatever he hears on the talk shows...  ::)

I don't have television.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2011, 07:48:35 PM »
Wow, somebody believes whatever he hears on the talk shows...  ::)
Wouldn't know.  I don't watch talk shows.
Though it does seem someone has his head in the sand, or up darker regions. :o
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LOL.  Boy are you dreaming.

Yes, I suppose I am. I dare to dream of a world where people live and let live and don't get their knickers in a knot over who legally resides with whom.  :)
Well, the Mormons do come from NY
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2011, 07:56:05 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages.

I heard a nearly identical argument about 3 years ago, only substitute civil unions for marriages.  No silence followed.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2011, 08:01:23 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 

This sums it up.

What a ridiculous decision by the woman.



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« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2011, 08:07:41 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 

This sums it up.

What a ridiculous decision by the woman.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2011, 08:18:20 PM »
Yes, because gay weddings are exactly the same as the people who did the Holocaust. (An argument coming from a divorced man, incidentally.) ::) He does know that the Nazis executed a lot of gay people, doesn't he? Or does he just not care?

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By the way, gay divorces are different from the high divorce rate among straight people how, exactly?
 ???



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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2011, 08:23:08 PM »
And the acceptance of gay marriage actually hurts society then benefits one.
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« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2011, 08:23:37 PM »
Wow, somebody believes whatever he hears on the talk shows...  ::)

I don't have television.

Sorry, biro. I thought that was meant for me. Whether it was or not, for the record, I do not watch talk shows.  :laugh:
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« Reply #18 on: July 24, 2011, 08:25:21 PM »
It wasn't you, Stavros. Sorry.  :)
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #19 on: July 24, 2011, 08:27:09 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 
I agree with this on a personal level, because I see both as two completely separate entities. As long as they don't mess with our right to refuse to honor or perform those marriages as the church...I do not see the state as the political arm of the church, so aside from a moral argument, I can't say that a state can't decide to grant civil marriages to whomever.

Plus, I know that it's not kosher to rank sins, and I don't like to, but if you worked for the CIA, FBI, any government agency, you'd probably have some bigger sins to confess to God than just signing a gay civil marriage certificate!

These are our choices as we enter the workplace in the public sector, and if she feels like she can't sign gay marriage licenses, good for her that she resigned. At least they won't have to be dealing with an employee who just sits there and says "no" every time someone hands her a certificate. And she made her stand. Win-win.


Edited to add: Having this stand does not mean that I accept gay marriage, by the way.
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« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2011, 08:27:20 PM »
Yes, because gay weddings are exactly the same as the people who did the Holocaust.

More like the ones who brough down the Roman Empire, though the Third Reich had enough in common with them (brides of the Fuehrer, etc.)

(An argument coming from a divorced man, incidentally.) ::)
Exactly. I know from experience how screwing up family law is not just a private issue. :police:

He does know that the Nazis executed a lot of gay people, doesn't he? Or does he just not care?
Yes, he knew, having been to a number of concentration camps amongst other things.  And they executed a lot of communists too.  Doesn't make me sympathetic to the Stalinists.

 
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By the way, gay divorces are different from the high divorce rate among straight people how, exactly?
 ???
for one thing, heterosexuals had heterosexual marriage before they had heterosexual divorce, unlike the gay variety.

IIRC in Scandinavia the "marriage" rate amongst gay falls far short of the heterosexual, already dismal, and outdo the heterosexuals in divorce.
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2011, 08:46:27 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 
I agree with this on a personal level, because I see both as two completely separate entities.

It doesn't matter how you see it, no offense. Besides how God sees it, there is also the problem of how acts in society, and in the law.

As long as they don't mess with our right to refuse to honor or perform those marriages as the church...I do not see the state as the political arm of the church, so aside from a moral argument, I can't say that a state can't decide to grant civil marriages to whomever.
I can't wait for polygamy being legalized.

Plus, I know that it's not kosher to rank sins, and I don't like to, but if you worked for the CIA, FBI, any government agency, you'd probably have some bigger sins to confess to God than just signing a gay civil marriage certificate!
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But besides that, since she wasn't working for the CIA, FBI etc... what is the relevance of the observation?

These are our choices as we enter the workplace in the public sector, and if she feels like she can't sign gay marriage licenses, good for her that she resigned. At least they won't have to be dealing with an employee who just sits there and says "no" every time someone hands her a certificate. And she made her stand. Win-win.
I agree. Didn't see any of the SF clerks make a similar stand when told to stop issuing the marriage license to gay couples.  Nor the clerks in Cook County under similar circumstances.

Edited to add: Having this stand does not mean that I accept gay marriage, by the way.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2011, 08:51:49 PM »
I am concerned about evil, and BTW, I am trying to head in the FBI, CIA direction, so I know what I am getting into. I am not dogging them. I am preparing myself for the inevitability that I will probably commit sins in the name of my career, and questioning whether I want to go ahead.

And IS there a way to make the anti-gay marriage argument without the slippery slope, moral argument? Just wondering. And no, I don't want polygamy to be legal either.

Like I've said in other posts, I think there are bigger fish to fry and I think it should be a state decision. If my state opened a vote on it, I would vote a "no." (And, no, it's not about "h8," people!) Simple as that. I don't agree with a federal marriage amendment.
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2011, 08:57:27 PM »
And IS there a way to make the anti-gay marriage argument without the slippery slope, moral argument? Just wondering. And no, I don't want polygamy to be legal either.

Gay marriage loses sight/redefines the meaning of marriage. For proponents of gay marriage, marriage is reduced to a recognised union between two individuals. However, marriage is necessarily much more than this. Marriage is the union of a man and a woman, not only for their own love for one another, but also in order to create and raise new life. Marriage, then, is literally the foundation upon which society is built, i.e. many families together create a state for the mutual support and protection of one another. An erosion of marriage is a destruction of society and the state, with no mention of the moral and religious implications.

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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2011, 09:01:47 PM »
I am concerned about evil, and BTW, I am trying to head in the FBI, CIA direction, so I know what I am getting into. I am not dogging them. I am preparing myself for the inevitability that I will probably commit sins in the name of my career, and questioning whether I want to go ahead.
Any career has its temptations.  Even monasticism.

And IS there a way to make the anti-gay marriage argument without the slippery slope, moral argument? Just wondering. And no, I don't want polygamy to be legal either.

Like I've said in other posts, I think there are bigger fish to fry and I think it should be a state decision. If my state opened a vote on it, I would vote a "no." (And, no, it's not about "h8," people!) Simple as that. I don't agree with a federal marriage amendment.
Given the court decision in CA heading for SCOTUS, no other choice.

Btw, IIRC no state has voted in this change, and when put to a vote, even HI, CA, and ME rejected it.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2011, 10:06:55 PM »
What does a civil marriage certificate have to do with the sacrament of marriage as observed by the Church? Nothing. I can't see anyone or anything stopping gay civil marriages from growing more and more acceptable in our society. A civil marriage has nothing to do with religion, so let them have it, I say. Then all of this nonsense can simmer down to silence (hopefully). Gays can enjoy their civil legal marriages, and Christians can enjoy their sacramental marriages. 
I agree with this on a personal level, because I see both as two completely separate entities. As long as they don't mess with our right to refuse to honor or perform those marriages as the church...I do not see the state as the political arm of the church, so aside from a moral argument, I can't say that a state can't decide to grant civil marriages to whomever.

The problem is that once there is gay marriage, it won't be long (if it doesn't immediately happen), before private businesses are forced to recognize them and give benefits to homosexual "husbands" or "wives" of their workers, even if the entire board of directors and C.E.O./President, and 99% of shareholders are opposed on religious grounds, because the business isn't a religious entity that qualifies for an exception.  The recognition of so-called gay marriage, by the government, will impact society in many ways as courts require various types of acceptance of gay marriage by non-governmental entities. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2011, 10:27:57 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2011, 10:33:11 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her.

You're right. She shouldn't be doing a bad job when it comes to marriage certificates.
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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2011, 10:38:21 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2011, 10:46:13 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
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« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2011, 10:48:25 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
I think we need to ask how England has a KFC.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2011, 10:51:02 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
Actually this is the second case someone has resigned over this issue.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2011, 10:51:23 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
I think we need to ask how England has a KFC.

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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2011, 10:52:21 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
I think we need to ask how England has a KFC.

I'm sorry but that staement makes no sense to me.
IIRC you live in England no? If not my bad.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2011, 10:55:01 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
Actually this is the second case someone has resigned over this issue.
In that case good and good.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2011, 10:55:37 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
Actually this is the second case someone has resigned over this issue.
In that case good and good.
“I believe that there is a higher law than the law of the land. It is the law of God in the Bible.  In Acts 5:29, it states, ‘We ought to obey God rather than men.’”

“The Bible clearly teaches that God created marriage between male and female as a divine gift that preserves families and cultures. Since I love and follow Him, I cannot put my signature on something that is against God.  Deuteronomy 10:12 says, ‘…What does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways, to love Him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and to observe the Lord’s commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good.’”

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/ny-broome-county-clerk-resigns-over-same-sex-marriage-cites-biblical-law.html

Good and Good indeed.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2011, 11:00:42 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
Actually this is the second case someone has resigned over this issue.
In that case good and good.
“I believe that there is a higher law than the law of the land. It is the law of God in the Bible.  In Acts 5:29, it states, ‘We ought to obey God rather than men.’”

“The Bible clearly teaches that God created marriage between male and female as a divine gift that preserves families and cultures. Since I love and follow Him, I cannot put my signature on something that is against God.  Deuteronomy 10:12 says, ‘…What does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways, to love Him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and to observe the Lord’s commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good.’”

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/ny-broome-county-clerk-resigns-over-same-sex-marriage-cites-biblical-law.html

Good and Good indeed.
If that is the case, why didn't they resign the first time they were required to sign a certificate for a divorced person?
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2011, 11:02:31 PM »
IIRC you live in England no? If not my bad.
No. I live in a country where we elect our head of state, rather then leave it to a genetic lottery.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2011, 11:05:50 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time.
So just following orders, as I noted above.
Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
That's now a proclivity the gays share: as I noted above, gay divorce preceeded gay "marriage"/civil union in both IL and NY.

And the issue of a divorcee depends on the circumstances, at least for Christians.  For Muslims and yourself, all a woman would need would be a get. For a gay "marriage," all the facts one needs are evident: or should be. In IL we had a court case where the woman turned out to be a transexual, who counts (at the time at least) as being the same sex he started with: he had claimed that the clerk issuing a marriage certificate recognized him as a she.  The Appellate Court didn't buy it.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2011, 11:07:10 PM »
IIRC you live in England no? If not my bad.
No. I live in a country where we elect our head of state, rather then leave it to a genetic lottery.
jealous that you lost out?
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2011, 11:09:03 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
Actually this is the second case someone has resigned over this issue.
In that case good and good.
“I believe that there is a higher law than the law of the land. It is the law of God in the Bible.  In Acts 5:29, it states, ‘We ought to obey God rather than men.’”

“The Bible clearly teaches that God created marriage between male and female as a divine gift that preserves families and cultures. Since I love and follow Him, I cannot put my signature on something that is against God.  Deuteronomy 10:12 says, ‘…What does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways, to love Him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and to observe the Lord’s commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good.’”

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/ny-broome-county-clerk-resigns-over-same-sex-marriage-cites-biblical-law.html

Good and Good indeed.
If that is the case, why didn't they resign the first time they were required to sign a certificate for a divorced person?
What's it to you?  You have the get.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2011, 11:28:53 PM »
Good. If she can't do her job she should quit. Hope the door didn't hit her. If she needs a job, there's a KFC near me hiring.
Is that what they did with all those clerks who issued certificates to gay couples in San Francisco?
They were doing thier job, the issued certificates in accordance with thier superiors' interpretation of the law as it was at the time. Funny, I've never heard of a "Christian" official resigning because they couldn't bring them selves to issue marriage certificates to divorced persons, but then heterosexual proclivities are always forgiveable aren't they?
Actually this is the second case someone has resigned over this issue.
In that case good and good.
“I believe that there is a higher law than the law of the land. It is the law of God in the Bible.  In Acts 5:29, it states, ‘We ought to obey God rather than men.’”

“The Bible clearly teaches that God created marriage between male and female as a divine gift that preserves families and cultures. Since I love and follow Him, I cannot put my signature on something that is against God.  Deuteronomy 10:12 says, ‘…What does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in all His ways, to love Him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and to observe the Lord’s commands and decrees that I am giving you today for your own good.’”

http://www.towleroad.com/2011/07/ny-broome-county-clerk-resigns-over-same-sex-marriage-cites-biblical-law.html

Good and Good indeed.
If that is the case, why didn't they resign the first time they were required to sign a certificate for a divorced person?
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2011, 11:30:02 PM »
IIRC you live in England no? If not my bad.
No. I live in a country where we elect our head of state, rather then leave it to a genetic lottery.
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Not in the least. We won.
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Re: New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2011, 11:38:44 PM »
New York Town Clerk Quits Over Opposition to Gay Marriage

A town clerk in western New York says she's resigning over her religious opposition to gay marriage.
 
Laura Fotusky submitted a letter of resignation to the town board in Barker on Monday, saying her religious beliefs prevent her from signing a marriage certificate for a gay couple, as she'd be required to do as a municipal clerk. The letter was published on the website of the Christian lobbying group New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms...

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