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Former Consol employee wins nearly $587K in 'Mark of the Beast' lawsuit
 
A former Consol Energy Inc. employee who believes biometric hand scanning will lead to the “Mark of the Beast” predicted in the biblical book of Revelation will receive $586,860 in damages, a West Virginia federal judge ruled Aug. 21.

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued Consol in 2013, claiming that it failed to accommodate Beverly R. Butcher Jr.'s religious beliefs. According to the lawsuit, he is an Evangelical Christian.

Butcher, 58, retired in 2012 when the company installed a hand scanner to log employees in and out of its Robinson Run Mine complex near Shinnston, W.Va. He objected to having either of his hands scanned and asked to manually log his hours, the lawsuit said...
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 11:14:07 PM »
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 12:01:00 AM »
For what? Someone's irrational fear of a hand scanner?

I used to have my hand stamped and scanned to get in and out of a public pool. And yet, the end has not yet come.

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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 12:12:20 AM »
I cannot tell what it is about the hand that is scanned.  Is it our natural lines in the palm?  Is it a stamp or tattoo?

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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2015, 01:31:24 AM »
For what? Someone's irrational fear of a hand scanner?

I used to have my hand stamped and scanned to get in and out of a public pool. And yet, the end has not yet come.

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Does Disneyland stamp the hand if you have to go to your car and need to return?

My last visit to Disneyland in Anaheim was in 1989. I have not returned since. It was not the happiest place. Far from it. Once we entered their gates, the survey takers were all over us, and we got there late, had to walk forever to enter that place, and then did not have much time left. I could not believe the rudeness.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2015, 01:49:51 AM »
For what? Someone's irrational fear of a hand scanner?

I used to have my hand stamped and scanned to get in and out of a public pool. And yet, the end has not yet come.

 ::)

Does Disneyland stamp the hand if you have to go to your car and need to return?

My last visit to Disneyland in Anaheim was in 1989. I have not returned since. It was not the happiest place. Far from it. Once we entered their gates, the survey takers were all over us, and we got there late, had to walk forever to enter that place, and then did not have much time left. I could not believe the rudeness.

Not sure what that has to do with either the OP, or what I posted.

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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2015, 04:31:00 AM »
For what? Someone's irrational fear of a hand scanner?

I used to have my hand stamped and scanned to get in and out of a public pool. And yet, the end has not yet come.

 ::)

Does Disneyland stamp the hand if you have to go to your car and need to return?

My last visit to Disneyland in Anaheim was in 1989. I have not returned since. It was not the happiest place. Far from it. Once we entered their gates, the survey takers were all over us, and we got there late, had to walk forever to enter that place, and then did not have much time left. I could not believe the rudeness.

Not sure what that has to do with either the OP, or what I posted.

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Just a free flowing thought about hand stamping and palm scanning.

Whether an image on the hand is a temporary or a permanent mark, it does not matter. We as Christians should not be accepting any kind of mark on our hands. We belong to Christ, not to Mammon.

Besides, images stamped on one's hands have chemicals in them, and chemicals are rarely benevolent. These images are stamped for THEIR convenience as a form of control. I am not paying for any more stamps on my hand. PERIOD.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2015, 04:48:57 AM »
You know something else that has chemicals in it? Everything ;)
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2015, 04:55:01 AM »
West Virginia is a dump. The good news, when the apocalypse happens they won't know the difference.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2015, 04:56:58 AM »
You know something else that has chemicals in it? Everything ;)

Does divinity contain chemicals?

Leave aside your snide remarks and attend the wisdom of your elders.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2015, 04:58:12 AM »
You know something else that has chemicals in it? Everything ;)

Oh, my dear.

We are breathing a chemical mixture of gases.

And we are drinking chemical liquids composed mostly of H2O.

And we eat chemical solids.

Oh we are doomed, yet we live.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2015, 05:00:18 AM »
You know something else that has chemicals in it? Everything ;)

Does divinity contain chemicals?

Leave aside your snide remarks and attend the wisdom of your elders.

Oh, divinity, that delicious heavenly candy. Bring me hither some of that.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2015, 05:06:11 AM »
You know something else that has chemicals in it? Everything ;)

Does divinity contain chemicals?

Leave aside your snide remarks and attend the wisdom of your elders.

Divinity is not a thing, so, no 8)
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2015, 05:21:22 AM »
Normally I would laugh at people like that, but I applaud everything and everyone that frustrates privacy destroying measures like biometric scanning.

Employers and the government needn't get away with everything.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2015, 10:48:13 AM »
Is not biometric scanning just scanning a palm print? Why would that be bad?

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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2015, 10:50:26 AM »
Is not biometric scanning just scanning a palm print? Why would that be bad?

Why should anyone have the right to demand fingerprints, palm prints, iris scans or even dna samples if you aren't suspected of a crime? Seems like a hefty privacy infringement with quite a bit of potential for identity theft.
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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2015, 10:59:02 AM »
^Not sure.  I am not sure what the risk of identity theft is.  Besides that, I used to be a Premillennial pretribulation person, so I understand the reluctance for one to have a tattoo scanned, but it would not bother me to go in and out of a palm print scanner at work.

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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2015, 01:29:04 PM »
I regulalrly get my fingerprint scanned at the gym. Does not bother me in the least. Now if this was a permanent mark on my body or some kind of electronic chip under my skin that might be another question.

The amount awarded in this lawsuit is crazy. I expect it will be reduced or overturned on appeal. It's surprising that the court gave consideration to a religious belief.

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Re: A Litigious Religious Butcher Fends Off the Apocalypse in West Virginia
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2015, 01:31:46 PM »
It probably won't get overturned. WV is one of the worst states as far as litigation goes. The judges and attorneys are unbelievably corrupt. I work in the insurance industry and it would blow your mind to see the decisions that get handed down in that state.
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