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« on: July 23, 2011, 12:14:18 AM »

The new edition of the Common English Bible (CEB) will be released in print and made available to the public for the first time on August 1, publicist Audra Jennings has told The Christian Post.

The publisher of the new version is hoping it will make the Bible understandable and attractive to as many people as possible. To that end, the new edition of the CEB has made several “bold” translation choices, including changing Jesus' “Son of Man” title to “the Human One.”

With the complete edition of the Common English Bible arriving from the printers this week and rolling into stores starting next month, associate publisher Paul Franklyn said the goal of translators was to make the Bible accessible and more appealing to readers of various backgrounds and denominations.

“There are a number of translations available for conservative churches,” Franklyn told The Tennessean. “This is trying to make a bridge between conservatives, moderates and liberals.”


http://www.christianpost.com/news/new-bible-to-go-on-public-release-changes-jesus-son-of-man-to-the-human-one-52232/

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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2011, 12:38:39 AM »

This just re-confirms why I am not Protestant anymore..  police Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2011, 01:18:12 AM »

Maybe (hopefully) it'll make some readers realise that they need to drink from deeper wells...
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2011, 01:31:23 AM »

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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2011, 01:45:05 AM »

What a crock.
 
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In May, Fuller Theological Seminary voted to add the Common English Bible to the NRSV and the TNIV as translations that could be required for students doing biblical studies. "We wanted something that was an academically excellent translation from Greek and Hebrew, and one that reflected our strong position regarding women in leadership," Dr. Joel B. Green, professor of New Testament Interpretation, told The Christian Post.

Yup. Remaking God and scripture in their own image. 'Nuff said.
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 02:16:44 AM »

"Child of Humanity" actually conveys the concept well and provides a helpful alternative to understanding the language used, but the fact remains that "Son of Man" is a Messianic/Christological title and will always be the standard. Other translations of it that are gender neutered can help fill out the idea expressed in a fuller way, but "the Human One" is just abysmal.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 02:20:22 AM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 02:35:05 AM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 

Did you just step out of 1987?



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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 02:37:19 AM »

“This is trying to make a bridge between conservatives, moderates and liberals.”

There ain't just two. So there ain't no bridge. And it is among!
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 03:24:48 AM »

The new edition of the Common English Bible (CEB) will be released in print and made available to the public for the first time on August 1, publicist Audra Jennings has told The Christian Post.

The publisher of the new version is hoping it will make the Bible understandable and attractive to as many people as possible. To that end, the new edition of the CEB has made several “bold” translation choices, including changing Jesus' “Son of Man” title to “the Human One.”

With the complete edition of the Common English Bible arriving from the printers this week and rolling into stores starting next month, associate publisher Paul Franklyn said the goal of translators was to make the Bible accessible and more appealing to readers of various backgrounds and denominations.

“There are a number of translations available for conservative churches,” Franklyn told The Tennessean. “This is trying to make a bridge between conservatives, moderates and liberals.”
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 03:39:47 AM »

You betcha!

What a crock.
 
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Yup. Remaking God and scripture in their own image. 'Nuff said.
Oh goody. A recommendation from the institution that helped bring us the "demons are the direct cause of all your problems, see a Protestant counselor-exorcist every time you sneeze" movement...
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2011, 05:12:11 AM »

"the human one" Huh?

What does that even mean??? weird.
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The publisher of the new version is hoping it will make the Bible understandable and attractive to as many people as possible. To that end, the new edition of the CEB has made several “bold” translation choices, including changing Jesus' “Son of Man” title to “the Human One.”

 
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2011, 06:25:34 AM »

Because of his name you assume he must be a Judaist? O.o
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2011, 07:10:37 AM »

Because of his name you assume he must be a Judaist? O.o

No, just that he's toeing their line. I suppose it could just be a coincidence. Personally I think people should stop with the translations already!
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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2011, 09:19:06 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2011, 09:56:47 AM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 

Did you just step out of 1987?





ROFL!  Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2011, 09:59:41 AM »

“This is trying to make a bridge between conservatives, moderates and liberals.”

There ain't just two. So there ain't no bridge. And it is among!

In NYC there is a bridge they used to call the Triborough (I think they renamed it the RFK Bridge)...connected Manhattan, Bronx and Brooklyn IIRC..... Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2011, 01:44:24 PM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 

Did you just step out of 1987?





ROFL!  Cheesy

Would it make you feel weird to know that I was only 4 years old in 87?  And I was living in Communism?  lol. 

Old fads die hard. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2011, 03:03:09 PM »

I don't think I can take this. I'm still nauseated from glancing at the Progressive Christian Portal at patheos.

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« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2011, 03:20:41 PM »

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Some other changes in the Common English Bible include swapping out “alien” or “foreigner,” used by some translations for passages like Leviticus 19:33-34; the Common English Bible applies the term “immigrant” instead.

Oh, how I love it when the Bible is rewritten to speak right into the heart of contemporary politics.

Merely being present in a foreign country—which is what "alien" and "foreigner" mean—does not make one an "immigrant."
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« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2011, 03:21:36 AM »

Umm...do these people actually have any, what's the word, "qualifications" to be translating anything?  For instance, while "Son of Man" may be able to be translated literally as "the Human One" (though another poster suggested a better alternative that is more modern), it ignores the historical context of the phrase, which was a way of referring to oneself without saying "I" constantly.  "The Human One" serves no purpose except to confuse people who might not have previously read a Bible before.

And an alien or foreigner is NOT always an immigrant.  I know plenty of people who have gone down to Mexico, seeing as I am in a border State.  Sometimes for a few days, sometimes a few weeks.  While all of them were foreigners and aliens, none of them were immigrants.  Bogdan is completely correct.
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« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2011, 03:24:06 AM »

Let's not forget the most important thing-it's a Messianic title.
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« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2011, 04:09:55 AM »

Can the Bible cover be in Matrix coding? Should give the Bible Coders a run for their money.
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« Reply #24 on: July 24, 2011, 01:16:05 PM »

Can the Bible cover be in Matrix coding? Should give the Bible Coders a run for their money.

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« Reply #25 on: July 24, 2011, 02:05:58 PM »

Oh, how I love it when the Bible is rewritten to speak right into the heart of contemporary politics.

Our ability to deceive ourselves is neverending. It reminds me of those online recipe reviews where people recommend 'improvements' in the ingredients to the point where the original recipe is transmogrified:

"That was the best Boeuf Bourguignon I ever had! I didn't have any beef, so I used chicken. I added some frozen peas and potatoes to the onions. My husband and hates red wine and the kids hate garlic, so I made it with a cream sauce instead. Then I threw in some home-made dumplings to give it more body. We'll make it again!"
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Can the Bible cover be in Matrix coding? Should give the Bible Coders a run for their money.


That's fantastic.

A part of me wishes there was this Bible Code that predicated precisely when Christ's Second Coming is but alas no.
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I am not the least bit surprised. I reference the reason I left Protestantism in the "orthodox Rising thread".

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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2011, 11:33:31 AM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 

Homeperson, please. Let's not be gender biased.
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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2011, 11:37:01 AM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 

Homeperson, please. Let's not be gender biased.

Oh no, how could I have been so heartless. I should have said Homepersyn. Wait, that discriminates against the homeless or those with unhappy homes. How about domesticpersyn?
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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2011, 12:12:24 PM »

That discriminates against people who don't like to do housework and people who self-identify as inanimate objects. You should say, "Fellow occupier of space-time"
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2011, 12:19:15 PM »

That discriminates against people who don't like to do housework and people who self-identify as inanimate objects. You should say, "Fellow occupier of space-time"

Alas, you're right! How could I have been so culturally insensitive, especially toward those with no culture! If I flog myself with a wet noodle, would that be offensive to the gluten-intolerant?
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Alas, you're right! How could I have been so culturally insensitive, especially toward those with no culture! If I flog myself with a wet noodle, would that be offensive to the gluten-intolerant?

How dare you to forget the Vegan! This vile "noodle" of which you speak was made by the slaughter of an innocent chicken egg!

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How dare you to forget the Vegan! This vile "noodle" of which you speak was made by the slaughter of an innocent chicken egg!

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What about that poor innocent wheat, you monster!?! I personally survive by synthesizing NPR broadcasts

Oh NO! How could I offend someone? I must now spend tons of money taking tolerance classes. I am ashamed.....

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« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2011, 02:29:11 PM »

That discriminates against people who don't like to do housework and people who self-identify as inanimate objects. You should say, "Fellow occupier of space-time"

ROFL!!!!  This is by far one of the greatest things i've ever read on this forum.  Well played. 

Here's the theological conundrum:  We cannot use categories of space-time to refer to God, since he is totally other (stands/exists outside of space & time).  What do we do now?  lol. 
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« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2011, 03:18:44 PM »

"More Human than Human"- the Tyrell Corporation, 1982
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« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2011, 05:52:26 PM »

That discriminates against people who don't like to do housework and people who self-identify as inanimate objects. You should say, "Fellow occupier of space-time"

ROFL!!!!  This is by far one of the greatest things i've ever read on this forum.  Well played.  

Here's the theological conundrum:  We cannot use categories of space-time to refer to God, since he is totally other (stands/exists outside of space & time).  What do we do now?  lol.  
No, that's discrimination against people who don't want God to be totally other. We need to embrace OVT.

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« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2011, 05:57:54 PM »

I don't think I can take this. I'm still nauseated from glancing at the Progressive Christian Portal at patheos.

Ugh.

Next thing you know will be that some Catholic "expert" or "theologian" will demand the Catholics use this abhorrent translation.
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« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2011, 06:00:48 PM »

Next they should just replace Jesus with "Homeboy".  Why not at this point. 

Did you just step out of 1987?






ROFL!  Cheesy

"Homeboy" is preferable to the Australian equivalents.
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I don't think I can take this. I'm still nauseated from glancing at the Progressive Christian Portal at patheos.

Ugh.

Next thing you know will be that some Catholic "expert" or "theologian" will demand the Catholics use this abhorrent translation.

Why not? Catholics did participate in the project as translators...
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« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2011, 07:00:42 PM »

That discriminates against people who don't like to do housework and people who self-identify as inanimate objects. You should say, "Fellow occupier of space-time"

What about those with Solipsism Disorder?  We shouldn't offend them by assuming we exist.  I think we'd all be better off if everyone just stayed very still, and very quiet.
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I don't think I can take this. I'm still nauseated from glancing at the Progressive Christian Portal at patheos.

Ugh.

Next thing you know will be that some Catholic "expert" or "theologian" will demand the Catholics use this abhorrent translation.

Why not? Catholics did participate in the project as translators...


Yeah, Renegade Nuns and Jesuits, I'll bet.   Grin
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« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2011, 07:05:00 PM »

No, then you'd be offending people who self-identify as tachyons or think they can bilocate. We need to sit and move faster than light at the same time.
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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2011, 07:07:21 PM »

That discriminates against people who don't like to do housework and people who self-identify as inanimate objects. You should say, "Fellow occupier of space-time"

What about those with Solipsism Disorder?  We shouldn't offend them by assuming we exist.  I think we'd all be better off if everyone just stayed very still, and very quiet.

Why are you stopping there? Solipsism is merely half-arsed skepticism, and it disgusts me. People should have the cojones to do it the whole way, and not chicken out ...
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« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2012, 09:16:15 PM »

This thread makes no sense.

As always, it's easy to criticize something you've not read.
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« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2012, 09:17:09 PM »

This thread makes no sense.

As always, it's easy to criticize something you've not read.

Examples always are the best way to prove a point.
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« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2012, 10:26:42 PM »

This thread makes no sense.

As always, it's easy to criticize something you've not read.

Examples always are the best way to prove a point.

Well, the best example is that this is the only Bible which my fiancé cares to read and learn from, and this comes after trying many other formal and functional equivalent translations.  As we use this Bible in our shared studies, I've not run across anything that can be strictly defined as heretical even considering that it does not necessarily attempt to be an academically sound translation.  With my background in Hebrew and NT Greek, I can honestly say that it preserves the "taste" of the Greek-Hebrew idiom in its appropriate balance between word-for-word and sense-for-sense approach in as close of an English idiom as possible. If any person is "scandalized" by non-issues such as what one Bible says about The "Human One," that's their problem, honestly.  My suggestion is to read a book, any book, on contemporary biblical scholarship and realize that this translation is mild considering the alternatives.
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« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2012, 02:50:32 AM »

"Child of Humanity" actually conveys the concept well and provides a helpful alternative to understanding the language used, but the fact remains that "Son of Man" is a Messianic/Christological title and will always be the standard. Other translations of it that are gender neutered can help fill out the idea expressed in a fuller way, but "the Human One" is just abysmal.
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« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2012, 11:33:17 PM »

This thread makes no sense.

As always, it's easy to criticize something you've not read.

Examples always are the best way to prove a point.

Well, the best example is that this is the only Bible which my fiancé cares to read and learn from, and this comes after trying many other formal and functional equivalent translations.  As we use this Bible in our shared studies, I've not run across anything that can be strictly defined as heretical even considering that it does not necessarily attempt to be an academically sound translation.  With my background in Hebrew and NT Greek, I can honestly say that it preserves the "taste" of the Greek-Hebrew idiom in its appropriate balance between word-for-word and sense-for-sense approach in as close of an English idiom as possible. If any person is "scandalized" by non-issues such as what one Bible says about The "Human One," that's their problem, honestly.  My suggestion is to read a book, any book, on contemporary biblical scholarship and realize that this translation is mild considering the alternatives.

While I'm sure your fiance is swell, howsoever much her preferences may prove to be dispositive of what's right for you, they do not necessarily compel those to whom she is not betrothed to follow suit.
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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2012, 03:34:43 PM »

This thread makes no sense.

As always, it's easy to criticize something you've not read.

Examples always are the best way to prove a point.

Well, the best example is that this is the only Bible which my fiancé cares to read and learn from, and this comes after trying many other formal and functional equivalent translations.  As we use this Bible in our shared studies, I've not run across anything that can be strictly defined as heretical even considering that it does not necessarily attempt to be an academically sound translation.  With my background in Hebrew and NT Greek, I can honestly say that it preserves the "taste" of the Greek-Hebrew idiom in its appropriate balance between word-for-word and sense-for-sense approach in as close of an English idiom as possible. If any person is "scandalized" by non-issues such as what one Bible says about The "Human One," that's their problem, honestly.  My suggestion is to read a book, any book, on contemporary biblical scholarship and realize that this translation is mild considering the alternatives.


While I'm sure your fiance is swell, howsoever much her preferences may prove to be dispositive of what's right for you, they do not necessarily compel those to whom she is not betrothed to follow suit.

Obviously you missed the larger scope of what I said above, which has less to do with whom is utilizing the text than with the fact that the text is highly utilitarian in addition to being passing many standards of academic rigor.
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