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Offline Jennifer

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Religious Liberty
« on: December 17, 2002, 04:45:45 PM »
I was a bad girl and posted over on YourCatholic.com and stirred up some trouble but it triggered an interesting debate about religious liberty.  I've never really looked into this issue so I'm not sure what the "traditional" stance is.  My gut tells me that religious liberty isn't all that's it's cracked up to be.  Someone posted JPII's statement on religious liberty (the usual conservative Catholic whatever JPII says must be true) and I have a hard time imagining a pre-VII pope writing something like that.  I'm not sure what the Orthodox position is on religious liberty either.  

Of course the argument on religious debate was triggered by complaints about the "mean" Orthodox who are afraid of Roman Catholics.  I side with the Orthodox on this one.  I think that Russia should be allowed to forbid prosletization from Catholics and Protestants.  I assume the Russian perspective is the more traditional one.  Would a historically Orthodox country have placed restrictions on non-Orthodox religious practices?  


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Re:Religious Liberty
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2002, 04:49:28 PM »
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Re:Religious Liberty
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2002, 05:50:25 PM »
Your link doesn't work, Serge.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2002, 05:53:53 PM »
Of course it didn't - I forgot a whole string of letters between slashes! Sorry. Try it now.
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Re:Religious Liberty
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2002, 08:24:08 PM »
It is my understanding that religious liberty in Orthodoxy is very much seen in a national (ist) context. Orthodoxy as well as Roman catholicism had a close relationship with the secular authorities, but while in the West the States were under the Papacy and the State payed loyalty to it, in the East the Church was under the Emperor and then the Tsar.

In this case, orthodoxy is very much part of a national identity, a devote orthodox christian is always a good patriotic Russian, or a good Greek (that is why other confessions including Catholicism are often listed as "foreign religions", the byzcath Church in Greece, for example).

Other religions were accepted as long as it was practiced by non-orthodox ethnic groups, for example. In that case there was a religious liberty, but unofficially every Russian, for example was supposed and thought to be Orthodox. This is why uniatism is seen with antipathy (in Russia for example). The right of blood prevailed, if your origin was orthodox you were suposed to be orthodox.

In the case of the West, the right of territory prevailed. The 1800's Mexico, at that time a "Catholic Kingdom" (that banned the practice of any other religion) allowed American immigrants to enter Texas and California (unfortunately ???) with the condition of becoming Catholics.

But on the other side, Orthodox christians in other places have lived in a status of plurality that clearly didn't exist in Roman Catholic Nations. This is the case of Albania, where there was a natural co-existence between Orthodox, Catholics, and Muslims. (same ethnic group)