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« Reply #135 on: August 03, 2011, 09:48:49 PM »

CAF is such a joke when it comes to dialoguing with the Orthodox.

They are a joke when dialoguing with anyone they disagree with. I was over there posting, and made the mistake of innocently saying the post-V2 church is "modernist", which to me, means very different from the historical Roman Catholic Church (the only form of it I am familiar with for complicated reasons).

I got an "infraction", and then when I tried to let people know I had decided to just leave the board since the modern church is too different for me to try to understand, I got another "infraction" for saying THAT!

Finally, I wrote back to the mod who sent me the second "infraction" to basically say "don't worry, I've leaving anyway", and then I got this:

Your account has been locked for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

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I wonder if I set a record? I got two infractions AND a banning, all in ONE DAY!  Grin One was probably for speaking kindly about the Orthodox, and the other was probably for speaking favorably about Catholicism before V2.

Hi Xenia,

Sorry to hear you've been banned.

I had been participating in their Traditional Catholicism sub-forum this summer, as I'm sure you noticed -- although I haven't been there in the last couple weeks. (I've been going to a different traditional Catholic forum, but I won't get into that.)

I actually had intended that today would be my last day posting there, and when I logged on to private message a few friends to let them know, I saw the infraction messages. I then wrote back to the one mod and said basically "Its OK, I was logging on to say to folks I was leaving today", when he banned me right then.I guess it was a case of, "You can't quit! You're banned instead!"lol

The weird thing is,I can't even SEE the forums;so the banning must make it so you can't even READ anything?
Funny, I PM'ed a mod when they suspended my account to tell them to go ahead and ban me and they ignored me.

But I can say from experience on other forums ( angel ) that "banning" on most forums means you can't read anything either. I've seen very few that continue to allow you to read.

I tried logging out as another poster here suggested...no way to do it from what I could see.

But I found today that if you go to Google and Google your handle there, you can read the forum that way.  Grin

All of us who were thrown off CAF can still read posts.  I am surprised that you can't.

I can if I go through Google. Maybe its my computer.
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« Reply #136 on: August 04, 2011, 01:24:37 AM »

The weird thing is,I can't even SEE the forums;so the banning must make it so you can't even READ anything?

Xenia,

As Father Ambrose notes, all of us bannees are able to read there. It is, indeed, possible to block an IP but historically (based on my several years as a Mod there) it was very rarely done - in my experience only in the case of spammers, hackers, and bannees who continually tried to reinvent themselves under alternative identities (and even the latter were uncommon, because their IPs were often ones that legit posters also used).

From your story, I'd guess that some Mod was on a power trip - altho, unless things have changed, a Mod couldn't initiate an IP ban; he or she would have to request that the Forum Admin (a gentleman with his own power issues, if it's still the same individual) do so.

Many years,

Neil
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« Reply #137 on: August 04, 2011, 01:25:20 AM »

hmm - database error - told me to try again and then dbl-posted. Obviously CAF gremlins at play here Cheesy
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« Reply #138 on: August 04, 2011, 09:04:57 AM »

The weird thing is,I can't even SEE the forums;so the banning must make it so you can't even READ anything?

Xenia,

As Father Ambrose notes, all of us bannees are able to read there. It is, indeed, possible to block an IP but historically (based on my several years as a Mod there) it was very rarely done - in my experience only in the case of spammers, hackers, and bannees who continually tried to reinvent themselves under alternative identities (and even the latter were uncommon, because their IPs were often ones that legit posters also used).

From your story, I'd guess that some Mod was on a power trip - altho, unless things have changed, a Mod couldn't initiate an IP ban; he or she would have to request that the Forum Admin (a gentleman with his own power issues, if it's still the same individual) do so.

Many years,

Neil

Maybe they did ban by IP..which is weird because I have a very common IP for my area. It would mean they are banning a lot of others too. They may have me confused with someone else though, because the mod who sent me the final infraction said something about, "You've been here long enough to know this rule", yet I'd only been there for a couple of weeks at most. I did think that was an odd statement.

Its also possible its my computer....I find the only way I can access the forums here too, is to go through Google or another search engine, and do a search on the forum name plus my handle. When I try coming to OC.net directly, there is no way to access the forum or anything else, all I see is the main page with no tabs at the top. And then once I'm in and posting, after I submit the post it says "data system error" that my post did not get posted, but when I look for it via my profile, it shows up.
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« Reply #139 on: August 04, 2011, 09:41:55 AM »

The weird thing is,I can't even SEE the forums;so the banning must make it so you can't even READ anything?

Xenia,

As Father Ambrose notes, all of us bannees are able to read there. It is, indeed, possible to block an IP but historically (based on my several years as a Mod there) it was very rarely done - in my experience only in the case of spammers, hackers, and bannees who continually tried to reinvent themselves under alternative identities (and even the latter were uncommon, because their IPs were often ones that legit posters also used).

From your story, I'd guess that some Mod was on a power trip - altho, unless things have changed, a Mod couldn't initiate an IP ban; he or she would have to request that the Forum Admin (a gentleman with his own power issues, if it's still the same individual) do so.

Many years,

Neil

Maybe they did ban by IP..which is weird because I have a very common IP for my area. It would mean they are banning a lot of others too. They may have me confused with someone else though, because the mod who sent me the final infraction said something about, "You've been here long enough to know this rule", yet I'd only been there for a couple of weeks at most. I did think that was an odd statement.

Its also possible its my computer....I find the only way I can access the forums here too, is to go through Google or another search engine, and do a search on the forum name plus my handle. When I try coming to OC.net directly, there is no way to access the forum or anything else, all I see is the main page with no tabs at the top. And then once I'm in and posting, after I submit the post it says "data system error" that my post did not get posted, but when I look for it via my profile, it shows up.

That's been happening to me too, but only in the last couple days. I had never seen the "data system error" message before.
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« Reply #140 on: August 04, 2011, 10:57:39 AM »

Switching computers and ISPs enables a multitude of problems to be solved. Smiley
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« Reply #141 on: August 06, 2011, 08:28:50 AM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
Because forum moderators NEVER use a simple Google search, come to your forum, and hear you brag about circumventing a ban.
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« Reply #142 on: August 06, 2011, 08:41:40 AM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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Don't flatter yourself. There is nothing worthy reading over there.
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« Reply #143 on: August 06, 2011, 09:41:22 AM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
Because forum moderators NEVER use a simple Google search, come to your forum, and hear you brag about circumventing a ban.
Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh


THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

As a postscript:  Sadly the behavior of CAF owners and operators projects a weakness that my Church will never have.  The inability to persevere in the face of extreme pressure has never been, is not and never will be a mark of my Church.  It is not Catholic to run from a challenge to the faith, but it is the first line defense of far too many Catholics.

There are some accusations and questions that cannot be defended head on because the deliverer of the blow has designed the accusation or question to be unanswerable as it is delivered.   In those cases a re-iteration of the truth is sufficient.  Jesus said to shake the dust from our own sandals...NOT to gouge the mud out of our brother's eye or extract the plank by driving it into their brain.

What is repulsive to me as a Catholic, about the CAF response to challenge, is the fact that it is full of fear.
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« Reply #144 on: August 06, 2011, 12:24:08 PM »

Mary,

We don't often agree, but I can't let your last post go by without a round of applause!

Many years,

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« Reply #145 on: August 06, 2011, 12:31:04 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
Because forum moderators NEVER use a simple Google search, come to your forum, and hear you brag about circumventing a ban.
Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh  

Believing that the job of being a good moderator is simple, is itself a pretty simple approach (and not very accurate).

On the other hand, most any simpleton can simply function as a thought cop, a rather simple job.

Many years,

Neil

 
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« Reply #146 on: August 06, 2011, 12:39:41 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh


THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

Well, guess the fast is going to be more strict today, as I threw up my breakfast just now. //:=)

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« Reply #147 on: August 06, 2011, 12:40:17 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #148 on: August 06, 2011, 12:49:14 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh


THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

Well, guess the fast is going to be more strict today, as I threw up my breakfast just now. //:=)



Well after the last several threads on masturbation, I am surprised to know that ANY of the active Orthodox male members of this Forum are squeamish about ANYTHING!!!

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« Reply #149 on: August 06, 2011, 12:51:56 PM »

Mary,

We don't often agree, but I can't let your last post go by without a round of applause!

Many years,

Neil

 Smiley...We need not agree on everything or anything tangential as long as we stand, brother and sister, in the essential Christ.

I don't think badly of you ever.  I am sorry we've had rough patches over the years.

M.

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« Reply #150 on: August 06, 2011, 12:56:12 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
Because forum moderators NEVER use a simple Google search, come to your forum, and hear you brag about circumventing a ban.
Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh


THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

Well, guess the fast is going to be more strict today, as I threw up my breakfast just now. //:=)



Well after the last several threads on masturbation, I am surprised to know that ANY of the active Orthodox male members of this Forum are squeamish about ANYTHING!!!



It was out of laughter and shock. That is some serious PWNage. Putting your name in there: stroke of brilliance.

Biggest go    yourself, I've seen in a while.
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« Reply #151 on: August 06, 2011, 12:58:44 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh


THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

Well, guess the fast is going to be more strict today, as I threw up my breakfast just now. //:=)



Well after the last several threads on masturbation, I am surprised to know that ANY of the active Orthodox male members of this Forum are squeamish about ANYTHING!!!



It was out of laughter and shock. That is some serious PWNage. Putting your name in there: stroke of brilliance.

Biggest go    yourself, I've seen in a while.

Oh...well...then... Cheesy
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« Reply #152 on: August 06, 2011, 05:55:13 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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Thanks for making our job simple.  laugh laugh laugh


THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

As a postscript:  Sadly the behavior of CAF owners and operators projects a weakness that my Church will never have.  The inability to persevere in the face of extreme pressure has never been, is not and never will be a mark of my Church.  It is not Catholic to run from a challenge to the faith, but it is the first line defense of far too many Catholics.

There are some accusations and questions that cannot be defended head on because the deliverer of the blow has designed the accusation or question to be unanswerable as it is delivered.   In those cases a re-iteration of the truth is sufficient.  Jesus said to shake the dust from our own sandals...NOT to gouge the mud out of our brother's eye or extract the plank by driving it into their brain.

What is repulsive to me as a Catholic, about the CAF response to challenge, is the fact that it is full of fear.

Wow, talk about turning the blade and rubbing salt into the wound.  I applaud you.
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« Reply #153 on: August 07, 2011, 03:03:09 PM »

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Do you think we really care? Honestly? The Inquisitorial moderation tactics there have turned more people away from the Catholic Church than anything else I can think other than, well, the Inquisition.  Cheesy
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« Reply #154 on: August 07, 2011, 03:09:03 PM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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THIS makes all Catholics look exceptionally neurotic.  If Orthodoxy is the enemy then maybe the owners and moderators of CAF should take the "C" out of CAF because this Catholic doesn't think it belongs there with this kind of shit-faced attitude.

Mary Lanser

As a postscript:  Sadly the behavior of CAF owners and operators projects a weakness that my Church will never have.  The inability to persevere in the face of extreme pressure has never been, is not and never will be a mark of my Church.  It is not Catholic to run from a challenge to the faith, but it is the first line defense of far too many Catholics.

There are some accusations and questions that cannot be defended head on because the deliverer of the blow has designed the accusation or question to be unanswerable as it is delivered.   In those cases a re-iteration of the truth is sufficient.  Jesus said to shake the dust from our own sandals...NOT to gouge the mud out of our brother's eye or extract the plank by driving it into their brain.

What is repulsive to me as a Catholic, about the CAF response to challenge, is the fact that it is full of fear.

It has been my experience that most novus ordo-ites are woefully ignorant of anything their church taught prior to Vatican II (and they don't know much that came after it, either). The ignorance is absolutely astounding, and their church doesn't care as long as they (drum roll): OBEY! BLINDLY AT THAT! The Byzantine Catholics I have known were far more knowledgeable, as are the Orthodox. Not to mention far more humble, too.
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« Reply #155 on: August 07, 2011, 03:23:40 PM »

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I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?
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« Reply #156 on: August 07, 2011, 03:33:07 PM »

Xenia1918, Cavaradossi, elijahmaria, orthonorm, Asteriktos, Irish Melkite, and Αριστοκλής,

I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

That's also a possibility, I did think of it. Regardless, I got to say what I thought.
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« Reply #157 on: August 07, 2011, 03:35:59 PM »

Xenia1918, Cavaradossi, elijahmaria, orthonorm, Asteriktos, Irish Melkite, and Αριστοκλής,

I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Whatever. If someone really wanted to feel important, they would have impersonate me. After all, I'm pretty much awesome.
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« Reply #158 on: August 07, 2011, 03:37:03 PM »

Sadly the behavior of CAF owners and operators projects a weakness that my Church will never have. 
Evidently it does.
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« Reply #159 on: August 07, 2011, 03:57:08 PM »

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I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Whatever. If someone really wanted to feel important, they would have impersonate me. After all, I'm pretty much awesome.
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« Reply #160 on: August 07, 2011, 04:29:01 PM »

Well - here is one Banned member who can't read there - I was banned by IP and Irish Melkite and I have discovered this evening that my ID is still there but all my posts have gone  , vanished , removed and / or deleted Smiley

Err I managed to do that search without a problem Wink but if , and it must be a BIG IF there is a Mod looking at this thread then I'm saying no more .

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« Reply #161 on: August 07, 2011, 04:59:46 PM »

Xenia1918, Cavaradossi, elijahmaria, orthonorm, Asteriktos, Irish Melkite, and Αριστοκλής,

I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Of course.

I have no way to know what anyone is on the internet for the most part.

I assumed it was someone playing around. Who cares? If so, all the better.

And whether the post was "real" or not, EM reaction was hilarious. Wasn't expecting it.

If anyone on the internet or in RL think they know what 99% of most of the time is true, they need to have their heads examined.

Life is a stage and all that.
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« Reply #162 on: August 07, 2011, 05:01:37 PM »

Well - here is one Banned member who can't read there - I was banned by IP and Irish Melkite and I have discovered this evening that my ID is still there but all my posts have gone  , vanished , removed and / or deleted Smiley

Err I managed to do that search without a problem Wink but if , and it must be a BIG IF there is a Mod looking at this thread then I'm saying no more .



I don't think we were banned by IP; I think we were banned by ISP (earthlink, etc). How else is it that I can still go there and even join if I choose to again (I don't), simply by switching ISP? (we have several in our home due to one child going to school from home via the school ISP, a home business with another ISP and a personal ISP).

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« Reply #163 on: August 07, 2011, 05:02:15 PM »

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I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

That's also a possibility, I did think of it. Regardless, I got to say what I thought.

Amateur hour.
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« Reply #164 on: August 07, 2011, 05:09:37 PM »

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I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Whatever. If someone really wanted to feel important, they would have impersonate me. After all, I'm pretty much awesome.
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« Reply #165 on: August 07, 2011, 05:19:37 PM »

I don't think we were banned by IP; I think we were banned by ISP (earthlink, etc). How else is it that I can still go there and even join if I choose to again (I don't), simply by switching ISP? (we have several in our home due to one child going to school from home via the school ISP, a home business with another ISP and a personal ISP).

If you were blocked (not banned, banning is done internally - blocking stops you from getting there at any of several dfferent levels of blockage), you were blocked by IP. IP blocks are problematic enough insofar as the possibility that they will affect innocent members, a ban by ISP would shut out thousands.

Many years,

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« Reply #166 on: August 07, 2011, 05:29:04 PM »

I don't think we were banned by IP; I think we were banned by ISP (earthlink, etc). How else is it that I can still go there and even join if I choose to again (I don't), simply by switching ISP? (we have several in our home due to one child going to school from home via the school ISP, a home business with another ISP and a personal ISP).

If you were blocked (not banned, banning is done internally - blocking stops you from getting there at any of several dfferent levels of blockage), you were blocked by IP. IP blocks are problematic enough insofar as the possibility that they will affect innocent members, a ban by ISP would shut out thousands.

Many years,

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This fact can be used to your advantage if you are able to gain the IP address of another member you wish to be banned and it is done easily enough.

This is a legitimate part of internets debate and fully allowed in a no holds barred environment; however, usually not very effective, because most people on such boards, especially the mods, know such rhetorical techniques and are usually smarter than your average modded board user.

It usually goes unnoticed in more heavily modded boards.
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« Reply #167 on: August 07, 2011, 05:31:15 PM »

Xenia1918, Cavaradossi, elijahmaria, orthonorm, Asteriktos, Irish Melkite, and Αριστοκλής,

I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Peter,

Thought about it right at the outset but a simultaneous, 'coincidental', happening convinces me that the poster was very likely a CA mod. And, if my suspicion is correct, it may be possible to confirm it.

I do, however, suspect that the story which accompanied that post (as to how the individual found his/her way here - Google search by name, ...  - is a fabrication. CAF staff who have been there for any length of time are more than aware that Eastern Christians who post both there and elsewhere are most commonly found either here or at ByzCath.

Many years,

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« Reply #168 on: August 07, 2011, 05:42:48 PM »

This fact can be used to your advantage if you are able to gain the IP address of another member you wish to be banned and it is done easily enough.

This is a legitimate part of internets debate and fully allowed in a no holds barred environment; however, usually not very effective, because most people on such boards, especially the mods, know such rhetorical techniques and are usually smarter than your average modded board user.

It usually goes unnoticed in more heavily modded boards.

IP blocks are rarely used at sites like CAF. It's one thing to block IPs coming out of China and cut off the shoe spammers or IPs that are historically used to circumvent by rerouting, etc, or which principally exist to reroute and hide the origin. Lists of those IPs are routinely available and widely consulted not just by those who would use them, but those who would block them. 

As one of two mods at CAF who usually worked overnight (the other, a friend, was terminated at the same time I was, apparently our friendship was considered a risk to my being able to remain in touch with the inner workings of CAF), I spent a lot of my time away from the Eastern Christianity forum, tracking IPs related to significant issues. That was a major part of my work there, keeping the peace. IP bans were extremely uncommon for your average bannee/circumventor - those were saved for use with the hardcore and the hackers, spammers, etc

Many years,

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« Reply #169 on: August 07, 2011, 05:48:26 PM »

My banning had to be by IP - I'm still with the same ISP in the same house admittedly on a different Mac  but until relatively recently I could not access CAF , I just got the banning notice up each time.

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« Reply #170 on: August 07, 2011, 05:53:26 PM »

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I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Whatever. If someone really wanted to feel important, they would have impersonate me. After all, I'm pretty much awesome.

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« Reply #171 on: August 07, 2011, 06:28:38 PM »

My banning had to be by IP - I'm still with the same ISP in the same house admittedly on a different Mac  but until relatively recently I could not access CAF , I just got the banning notice up each time.



People misunderstand both IP allocation and banning. Do you know your IP at any given time?

Check via a tool on the internet.

Thing is that most boards are going to ban your username before the IP they see associated with it most of the time.

So you have to have a sock puppet for the part to see if your username is banned or IP. Check with your sock puppet from the same IP. You will then know.

IP proxies aren't very effective anymore against IP bans as the software detection most well run servers use will recognize the suspicious amount of redirects.

Now there are still ways around IP banning. But those you have to find out for yourself.

EDIT: The above is the "easiest" manner for checking for most people, I know there are more elegant methods.
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« Reply #172 on: August 07, 2011, 07:06:32 PM »

CAF staff who have been there for any length of time are more than aware that Eastern Christians who post both there and elsewhere are most commonly found either here or at ByzCath.

In fact, as I think about it, there are 2 CAF mods w/ posting accts here (maybe now 3  Roll Eyes  )
One has only been used once that I'm aware; the other posted briefly as a member both here and at ByzCath but hasn't posted at either since around the time of the Great Purge.

Many years,

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« Reply #173 on: August 07, 2011, 07:48:37 PM »

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I trust you all realize that we have no way to tell whether JustPostingOnce is a real CA moderator or just some random person trying to feel important?

Well, I'm not banned there yet... so... Grin
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« Reply #174 on: August 07, 2011, 09:28:35 PM »

This fact can be used to your advantage if you are able to gain the IP address of another member you wish to be banned and it is done easily enough.

This is a legitimate part of internets debate and fully allowed in a no holds barred environment; however, usually not very effective, because most people on such boards, especially the mods, know such rhetorical techniques and are usually smarter than your average modded board user.

It usually goes unnoticed in more heavily modded boards.

IP blocks are rarely used at sites like CAF. It's one thing to block IPs coming out of China and cut off the shoe spammers or IPs that are historically used to circumvent by rerouting, etc, or which principally exist to reroute and hide the origin. Lists of those IPs are routinely available and widely consulted not just by those who would use them, but those who would block them.  

As one of two mods at CAF who usually worked overnight (the other, a friend, was terminated at the same time I was, apparently our friendship was considered a risk to my being able to remain in touch with the inner workings of CAF), I spent a lot of my time away from the Eastern Christianity forum, tracking IPs related to significant issues. That was a major part of my work there, keeping the peace. IP bans were extremely uncommon for your average bannee/circumventor - those were saved for use with the hardcore and the hackers, spammers, etc

Many years,

Neil  

Well, they evidently blocked ME by IP (or ISP), and I'm not a spammer or hacker. In fact I was only there about 2 weeks and didn't even do anything really wrong except make a comment a) that they took as an insult against the novus ordo church, and b) told  a mod I'm leaving anyway. I suspect they have me confused with someone else, or think I am someone else, based on what one mod said to me ("You've been here long enough to know bla bla bla"...two weeks is "long enough"?!
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« Reply #175 on: August 07, 2011, 09:48:01 PM »

Sadly the behavior of CAF owners and operators projects a weakness that my Church will never have. 
Evidently it does.

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« Reply #176 on: August 07, 2011, 09:56:58 PM »

This fact can be used to your advantage if you are able to gain the IP address of another member you wish to be banned and it is done easily enough.

This is a legitimate part of internets debate and fully allowed in a no holds barred environment; however, usually not very effective, because most people on such boards, especially the mods, know such rhetorical techniques and are usually smarter than your average modded board user.

It usually goes unnoticed in more heavily modded boards.

IP blocks are rarely used at sites like CAF. It's one thing to block IPs coming out of China and cut off the shoe spammers or IPs that are historically used to circumvent by rerouting, etc, or which principally exist to reroute and hide the origin. Lists of those IPs are routinely available and widely consulted not just by those who would use them, but those who would block them.  

As one of two mods at CAF who usually worked overnight (the other, a friend, was terminated at the same time I was, apparently our friendship was considered a risk to my being able to remain in touch with the inner workings of CAF), I spent a lot of my time away from the Eastern Christianity forum, tracking IPs related to significant issues. That was a major part of my work there, keeping the peace. IP bans were extremely uncommon for your average bannee/circumventor - those were saved for use with the hardcore and the hackers, spammers, etc

Many years,

Neil  

Well, they evidently blocked ME by IP (or ISP), and I'm not a spammer or hacker. In fact I was only there about 2 weeks and didn't even do anything really wrong except make a comment a) that they took as an insult against the novus ordo church, and b) told  a mod I'm leaving anyway. I suspect they have me confused with someone else, or think I am someone else, based on what one mod said to me ("You've been here long enough to know bla bla bla"...two weeks is "long enough"?!

Did you mention your Orthodox Jewish background?
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« Reply #177 on: August 07, 2011, 10:04:43 PM »

This fact can be used to your advantage if you are able to gain the IP address of another member you wish to be banned and it is done easily enough.

This is a legitimate part of internets debate and fully allowed in a no holds barred environment; however, usually not very effective, because most people on such boards, especially the mods, know such rhetorical techniques and are usually smarter than your average modded board user.

It usually goes unnoticed in more heavily modded boards.

IP blocks are rarely used at sites like CAF. It's one thing to block IPs coming out of China and cut off the shoe spammers or IPs that are historically used to circumvent by rerouting, etc, or which principally exist to reroute and hide the origin. Lists of those IPs are routinely available and widely consulted not just by those who would use them, but those who would block them.  

As one of two mods at CAF who usually worked overnight (the other, a friend, was terminated at the same time I was, apparently our friendship was considered a risk to my being able to remain in touch with the inner workings of CAF), I spent a lot of my time away from the Eastern Christianity forum, tracking IPs related to significant issues. That was a major part of my work there, keeping the peace. IP bans were extremely uncommon for your average bannee/circumventor - those were saved for use with the hardcore and the hackers, spammers, etc

Many years,

Neil  

Well, they evidently blocked ME by IP (or ISP), and I'm not a spammer or hacker. In fact I was only there about 2 weeks and didn't even do anything really wrong except make a comment a) that they took as an insult against the novus ordo church, and b) told  a mod I'm leaving anyway. I suspect they have me confused with someone else, or think I am someone else, based on what one mod said to me ("You've been here long enough to know bla bla bla"...two weeks is "long enough"?!

Did you mention your Orthodox Jewish background?

Only if it was pertinent to the subject at hand.
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« Reply #178 on: August 07, 2011, 10:48:20 PM »

Sadly the behavior of CAF owners and operators projects a weakness that my Church will never have. 
Evidently it does.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Just because I think CAF was wrong doesn't mean I support your silliness.
CAF isn't my silliness.
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« Reply #179 on: August 10, 2011, 05:15:08 AM »

Yeah.  Roll Eyes
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