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« on: September 15, 2014, 09:01:39 AM »

"Dolly the cloned sheep was created there; the existence of the Higgs boson was predicted there. But soon Scotland could leave the United Kingdom, with potentially major repercussions for science. Ahead of a historic referendum on 18 September, which the latest opinion polls suggest could go either way, researchers on both sides of the border are split over whether science in Scotland would flourish or founder should its people vote yes to independence."

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2014, 09:43:03 AM »

They all share the same language, and it's better when societies are united and cooperate.

The main problem is that power is basically in the hands of the conqueror, England. The UK is "united" under an English monarchy. They have a parliament, but the Queen has a lot of political influence. And even the parliament is Anglo-centric.

So overall, I think that they should stay United, but they need to address the historical problem of the English conquests and its legacy. London is also a huge world economic center. Power is focused very unevenly in institutions in the city, and Scottish independence would help free Scotland economically. But also, it would be better to democratize the economy rather than seek independence.

So overall I don't have a strong opinion about it and think it should be left up to the Scots. If Scotland was generally Catholic, that would be an added argument favoring independence.
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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2014, 09:59:44 AM »

Scotland appears about 2/3 Calvinist or Presbyterian, and 1/3 Catholic in its heritage, although in reality 1/3 is nonreligious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scotland
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2014, 10:23:38 AM »

Scotland Census 2011

* In terms of the Christian denominations, 32 per cent of the population (1.7 million) stated they belonged to the Church of Scotland - a decrease of 10 percentage points since 2001 - whilst the proportion of people who stated they were Roman Catholic remained the same as in 2001 at 16 per cent (0.8 million).
* Over one per cent (1.4 per cent or 77,000 people) reported that they were Muslim - an increase of 0.6 percentage points since 2001.
* The numbers of Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs together accounted for 0.7 per cent of the population in 2011 and all saw increases between 2001 and 2011.
* The number of Jewish people has declined slightly to just under 6,000.
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The Church of Scotland affirms the [Calvinist] Westminster Confession with the following modifications:

1. This Church no longer affirms the following contents of the Westminster Confession of Faith:

*Chap. 22, Section 7: ‘Popish monastical vows of perpetual single life, professed poverty and regular obedience are so far from being degrees of higher perfection, that they are superstitious and sinful snares in which no Christian may entangle himself.’

*Chap. 24, Section 3: ‘… such as profess the true reformed religion should not marry with Infidels, Papists or other idolators.’

*Chap. 25, Section 6:‘He (the Pope of Rome) is Antichrist, that Man of Sin and Son of Perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.’

*Chap. 29, Section 2: ‘… so that the Popish Sacrifice of the Mass (as they call it) is most abominably injurious to Christ’s one only Sacrifice, the alone Propitiation for all the sins of the Elect.’

2. This Church therefore dissociates itself from the above statements and does not require its office-bearers to believe them.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2014, 10:37:48 AM »

Scotland Census 2011

* In terms of the Christian denominations, 32 per cent of the population (1.7 million) stated they belonged to the Church of Scotland - a decrease of 10 percentage points since 2001 - whilst the proportion of people who stated they were Roman Catholic remained the same as in 2001 at 16 per cent (0.8 million).
* Over one per cent (1.4 per cent or 77,000 people) reported that they were Muslim - an increase of 0.6 percentage points since 2001.
* The numbers of Buddhists, Hindus and Sikhs together accounted for 0.7 per cent of the population in 2011 and all saw increases between 2001 and 2011.
* The number of Jewish people has declined slightly to just under 6,000.
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The Church of Scotland affirms the [Calvinist] Westminster Confession with the following modifications:

1. This Church no longer affirms the following contents of the Westminster Confession of Faith:

*Chap. 22, Section 7: ‘Popish monastical vows of perpetual single life, professed poverty and regular obedience are so far from being degrees of higher perfection, that they are superstitious and sinful snares in which no Christian may entangle himself.’

*Chap. 24, Section 3: ‘… such as profess the true reformed religion should not marry with Infidels, Papists or other idolators.’

*Chap. 25, Section 6:‘He (the Pope of Rome) is Antichrist, that Man of Sin and Son of Perdition, that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God.’

*Chap. 29, Section 2: ‘… so that the Popish Sacrifice of the Mass (as they call it) is most abominably injurious to Christ’s one only Sacrifice, the alone Propitiation for all the sins of the Elect.’

2. This Church therefore dissociates itself from the above statements and does not require its office-bearers to believe them.

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2014, 10:43:20 AM »

The graph above looks stupid with the ranking of the EU and then some its member countries and the UK and its member countries. Rank them as a group or individually, not both.

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2014, 11:03:19 AM »

They all share the same language, and it's better when societies are united and cooperate.

The main problem is that power is basically in the hands of the conqueror, England. The UK is "united" under an English monarchy. They have a parliament, but the Queen has a lot of political influence. And even the parliament is Anglo-centric.

So overall, I think that they should stay United, but they need to address the historical problem of the English conquests and its legacy. London is also a huge world economic center. Power is focused very unevenly in institutions in the city, and Scottish independence would help free Scotland economically. But also, it would be better to democratize the economy rather than seek independence.

So overall I don't have a strong opinion about it and think it should be left up to the Scots. If Scotland was generally Catholic, that would be an added argument favoring independence.

 The UK monarchy descends, or so they would assert, from the Union of two kingdoms under King James, the First and Sixth. The First as King of England and Sixth as King of Scotland. A Union mandated by both parliaments, if not the common people. Hardly an English monarchy either on account the family was changed from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha to Windsor in deference to the British people's hostility to all things German at the outbreak of war.

As to conqueror, more one was solvent and the other bust due to the Scots having had a colonial adventure go down the tubes. They had two colonies at the time.

And since in over 100 years they have had a disproportionate influence on which party governs and positions in Government. Hardly hard done by, a claim that might be better made by other parts of the UK.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2014, 11:06:18 AM »

They all share the same language...


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« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2014, 12:21:35 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2014, 10:40:13 PM »

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A bheil thu cinnteach mu sin?
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1.1% of Scots speak Gaelic, which is not to say that it doesn't have cultural value.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2014, 12:02:18 AM »

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1.1% of Scots speak Gaelic, which is not to say that it doesn't have cultural value.

Besides Gaelic there is Scots.  Which contrary to popular belief is not just accented English.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language
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« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2014, 12:21:56 AM »

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A critical mouth?

1.1% of Scots speak Gaelic, which is not to say that it doesn't have cultural value.

Besides Gaelic there is Scots.  Which contrary to popular belief is not just accented English.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language
It's a Scottish dialect of English.
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2014, 12:24:12 AM »

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1.1% of Scots speak Gaelic, which is not to say that it doesn't have cultural value.
I am quite aware of the linguistic situation. It would be difficult to learn Scottish Gaelic without being so.
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2014, 12:33:47 AM »

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"In Glasgow region we tend to speak joined up, right."
Example: Whit d ye wa me to do the now?
From this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzeLcJJlOWc

Admittedly, I saw a tourist book in the town over from where I live in the Pocono region called "What'cha want to do?"
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2014, 12:36:29 AM »

Where do I go to vote for more people with Scottish accents being on Youtube?
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« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2014, 12:41:33 AM »

The person in the video tried to explain the sentence, but he didn't explain why they say "the" before "now". Why do they do that?

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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2014, 08:55:21 AM »

Where do I go to vote for more people with Scottish accents being on Youtube?
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After the vote failed, I went to go listen to Scottish women talking on Youtube as a salve for my soul. The sparcity of videos was shocking.
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