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Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« on: June 27, 2011, 03:23:02 PM »
I have been having a discussion with someone regarding the quartodeciman controversies, and I wanted to be certain of the Orthodox viewpoint here. Do we hold that Jesus died on the 14th, the 15th, or is this a gray area?

I've heard that some people say that John says he died on the 14th, while the synoptics say the 15th. How do we reconcile this?
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 03:30:37 PM »
also, a brief chronology of the events from an Orthodox perspective would be helpful (ideally with some sources), for example some would say:

last supper: eve of 14th (thurs)
death: 3 pm on 14th (fri)
resurrection: Sunday morning
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 10:29:25 PM »
anyone want to take a stab?
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 10:38:08 PM »
14th of Nisan
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 10:48:09 PM »
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2011, 09:23:49 PM »
Quote from: Ortho_cat on June 27, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
also, a brief chronology of the events from an Orthodox perspective would be helpful (ideally with some sources), for example some would say:

last supper: eve of 14th (thurs)
death: 3 pm on 14th (fri)
resurrection: Sunday morning

This, as far as I'm aware.

This is the chronology of St. John the Theologian, as laid out in his Gospel. The Synoptic Evangelists do record a different chronology. How do we reconcile them? We don't. It doesn't matter. St. John is making a point by theologically connecting the Passion of our Lord with the slaying of the lamb in the Temple at Yom Kippur, for he is "...the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Apocalypse of St. John the Theologian, ch. 13, v. 8http://).
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2011, 05:39:49 PM »
Ok, so what was the quartodeciman controversy all about? Did they not believe that Christ died on the 14th of Nisan, and the opposing side believed otherwise? Or did this matter have to do solely with what day to end the fast?
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Re: Date of Jesus death: 14th or 15th of Nisan?
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2011, 03:19:03 PM »
Quote from: Ortho_cat on June 27, 2011, 03:30:37 PM
also, a brief chronology of the events from an Orthodox perspective would be helpful (ideally with some sources), for example some would say:

last supper: eve of 14th (thurs)
death: 3 pm on 14th (fri)
resurrection: Sunday morning

I think I may have gotten this wrong. Wasn't the eve of the 14th, when the last supper was held, technically Friday (according to the Jewish day system)?
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