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« on: July 18, 2011, 08:52:07 AM »

I know this Saint isn't really formally venerated in the Church of Armenia. He is, however, on the Coptic, Ethiopian, and Eritrean calendars, and I think I remember hearing that the Syriac and Malankara Churches commemmorate him in the liturgy. So could someone explain to me devotion to this Saint in the other OO Churches?

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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 10:28:19 AM »

Here is a Syriac Hymn commemorating the pillars of Orthodoxy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLGHe9t12h8

The translation is:
Come let us celebrate the rememberance of our holy fathers who gave the true orthodox belief to the world.

We remember Ignatheeyos the luminous and Thevologos the sea of wisdom. Kooreelos the sweet waterfall and Eewanees the golden mouthed.

We also remember Baseleeyos and our master Greegoreeyos as well as Deeyaskoros, Kleemis, Feelukseenos and our illustrious Severios. May God help us with their prayers.

Here is the translation of the exact same hymn in Malayalam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2zbUG0VnM
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 10:31:35 AM »

Saint Dioscoros is also commemorated in the Syriac/Malayalam Holy Qurbana (Divine Liturgy) in the Canon of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church. It reads:

We commemorate those who have gone before, fallen asleep in holiness, and are at rest among the saints; those who have kept the one apostolic faith without blemish and entrusted it to us. We proclaim the three sacred and holy Ecumenical Synods of Nicaea, of Constantinople and of Ephesus. We also remember our glorious and God-fearing fathers, prelates and doctors present at the Synods. Bishop James, the first bishop of Jerusalem, the apostles and martyrs and the saints: Ignatius, Clement, Dionysius, Athanasius, Julius, Basilius, Gregorius, Dioscoros, Timothy, Philoxenus, Antemus, Ivanius. Particularly, St. Cyril that exalted and firm tower who declared and made manifest the incarnation of the Word God, our Lord Jesus Christ Who took flesh. We also remember our Patriarch St. Severius, the crown of the Syrians, that rational mouth, pillar and teacher of all the Holy Church of God; and our saintly and holy father St. Jacob Burd`ono the supporter of the orthodox faith and St. Ephrem, St. Jacob, St. Isaac, St. Balai, St. Barsaumo, head of the anchoritesl18:1, St. Simon the Stylite and the chosen St. Abhai. Let us, also, remember all those before them, with them and after them, who kept the one, true and uncorrupted faith and delivered it to us. May their prayers be a stronghold to us. Let us beseech the Lord.

http://sor.cua.edu/Liturgy/Anaphora/James.html


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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2011, 12:10:43 PM »

Beautiful prayers. Thank you. I'm glad these other Orthodox Churches have an appreciation for this man. He's a very important Saint to my heart. Sts Cyril, Severus, and Dioscoros are my three favorite patrons.

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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2011, 04:14:06 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Not only is Saint Dioscorious commemorated within the Ethiopian Orthodox calendar as an honored Saint, he is also considered a revered Patristic Father in our history and tradition and was a favorite of many Ethiopian fathers over the millenia. This is in part because our own founding Saints, the so-called "Nine Saints" where Syrian priests who fled after the Chalcedon controversy and combined with the Alexandrian clerics already on mission in Ethiopia, a kind of fervent anti-Chalcedon mentality evolved in Ethiopian Orthodox, which is why Saints like St Dioscorus is so highly revered for his equally staunch resistance.
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THE FIRST MONTH
Meskerem 03
(September 13)

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT,
ONE GOD.  AMEN.

On this day the General Council of Bishops took place in the city of Alexandria in the second year of the rule of the glorious father Abba Dionysius the archbishop.  This assembly took place because of certain evil men who had appeared in the country of Arabia, and who believed that the soul dieth with the body, and that on the day of the Resurrection it shall be raised up with it.  And they composed a discourse on the wicked belief and sent it to the men who were living in the city of Alexandria.  And when the Abuna, the Archbishop Abba Dionysius heard this thing he was exceedingly sorry about it, and he admonished them and commanded them to turn from this evil affair, but they would not hearken unto him.  Therefore the Council assembled to discuss them, and he debated the matter with them, and made manifest their error, but they neither repented nor turned away from their evil counsel; and the archbishop and the whole Council anathematized them and cursed them.  And he wrote a discourse on them wherein he said, “the love of God for the children is exceedingly great and mighty.”  And he explained in that discourse that the soul neither dieth, nor perisheth, nor decayeth, but that it abideth even as the angels abide, for it is a spiritual thing and is immutable and incorruptible.  When it goeth forth from the body it is taken to the place for which it is suitable. And on the day of the Resurrection, when the trumpet soundeth, and dead bodies of men shall rise up by the command of their Creator.  And all the souls of men shall go each into the body whereto it belongeth, and it shall rise with it, and according to its work it will either rejoice for ever, or suffer punishment for ever.  And the two (i.e. soul and body) will remain in the state in which they have risen forever and forever and ever.  May the prayer of this Council be with us.  Amen.

And on this day also a great earthquake took place in the country of Egypt and in all its borders, and the church of Dasya fell down at the time of the third hour of the day.  And this church was in the name of Michael the archangel.  And it is said that a certain ungodly man asked the Christians to pay tax to him, but they would not give him anything; and when it was evening this man came with his followers and pulled down the church.  This happened in the ninth year of Archbishop Abba Macarius, in the eight hundred and twenty-eighth year of the Holy Martyrs [A.D. 1112].  May their prayers and blessing be with us.  Amen.

And on this day are commemorated Dioscoros the martyr, and Archbishop Dionysius, and the martyrs who were in Tensel Yakoton, and many martyrs in Persia.  May their prayer and blessing, etc.
from the Ethiopian Synaxarium

Further, one of the basic/fundamental Anaphoras of our tradition is the Anaphor of Saint Dioscoros which is chanted many times and on any general occasion, where as aside from the Anaphora of the Apostles, the other 12 Ethiopian Anaphoras are reserved for specific days and celebrations.  Within this Anaphora are outlines several key and pivotal Ethiopian Christological and Theological teachings, especially that the Godhead participated with the suffering of Christ on the Cross.

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The Jews took hold of Him
and made Him stand in the court,
Him before whom the hosts of
angels stand in fear and trembling.
They crucified Him on the
tree, nailed Him with nails, beat
Him on the head with sticks,
pierced His side with a spear, to
Him who gave drink to the Israelites
from a rock they gave to drink
gall mixed with myrrh in His thirst.
The immortal died, died to
destroy death, died to quicken the
dead as He promised them with the
word of covenant.
People:- We proclaim your death,
Lord, and your holy resurrection;
we believe your ascension and your
second advent. We glorify Thee and
confess Thee, we offer our prayer
unto Thee and supplicate Thee O
our Lord and our God.

and also explains in better detail our own unique theology behind the Real Presence in the Holy Communion

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Let none of us think when He
eats of this bread that He eats mere
flesh without blood and Spirit. Let
none of us think when He drinks of
this cup that He drinks mere blood
without body and Spirit, but one is
the body, blood and Spirit as His divinity
became one with His humanity,
world without end.

We then hold Saint Dioscoros in very high regard, in that we seek to commemorate him so often in our Liturgies and also in his name and honor expound some of the depths of our theology to the common people in our prayers.

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2011, 04:23:34 PM »

@Habte Selassie Thank you for contributing. I am glad the Ethiopian Orthodox Church reveres this Saint so much. Whenever I read his full story in the book Story of the Copts, I am moved so much by his courage, his steadfastness, his kindness, his virtuousness, and his persistence in the Orthodox faith, despite all what his enemies did to him. I am glad he is venerated by Oriental Orthodox Christians all throughout the world. May his prayers and blessings be with us all, world without end. And glory to the All-Holy Trinity forever more.

If it isn't too much to ask, are there any Ethiopian icons of this Saint?
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 12:15:34 AM »

Here is a Syriac Hymn commemorating the pillars of Orthodoxy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLGHe9t12h8

The translation is:
Come let us celebrate the rememberance of our holy fathers who gave the true orthodox belief to the world.

We remember Ignatheeyos the luminous and Thevologos the sea of wisdom. Kooreelos the sweet waterfall and Eewanees the golden mouthed.

We also remember Baseleeyos and our master Greegoreeyos as well as Deeyaskoros, Kleemis, Feelukseenos and our illustrious Severios. May God help us with their prayers.

Here is the translation of the exact same hymn in Malayalam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2zbUG0VnM

Could you identify more clearly all the individuals named in the hymn? I got about 2/3 but not all of them.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 01:15:41 AM »

Here is a Syriac Hymn commemorating the pillars of Orthodoxy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLGHe9t12h8

The translation is:
Come let us celebrate the rememberance of our holy fathers who gave the true orthodox belief to the world.
We remember Ignatheeyos the luminous and Thevologos the sea of wisdom. Kooreelos the sweet waterfall and Eewanees the golden mouthed.
We also remember Baseleeyos and our master Greegoreeyos as well as Deeyaskoros, Kleemis, Feelukseenos and our illustrious Severios.
May God help us with their prayers.

Here is the translation of the exact same hymn in Malayalam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2zbUG0VnM

Could you identify more clearly all the individuals named in the hymn? I got about 2/3 but not all of them.

The fathers mentioned in this hymn are:
Ignatheeyos the luminous = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
Theologos the sea of wisdom = http://orthodoxwiki.org/Gregory_the_Theologian
Koorelose the sweet waterfall = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria
Eewanees the golden mouthed = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom
Baseleeyos = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Basil_the_Great
Greegoreeyos = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Nyssa
Deeyaskoros = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioscorus_of_Alexandria
Kleemis = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria
Feelukseenos = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoxenus_of_Mabbug
Severios = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severus_of_Antioch
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 01:29:37 AM »

Here is a Syriac Hymn commemorating the pillars of Orthodoxy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLGHe9t12h8

The translation is:
Come let us celebrate the rememberance of our holy fathers who gave the true orthodox belief to the world.
We remember Ignatheeyos the luminous and Thevologos the sea of wisdom. Kooreelos the sweet waterfall and Eewanees the golden mouthed.
We also remember Baseleeyos and our master Greegoreeyos as well as Deeyaskoros, Kleemis, Feelukseenos and our illustrious Severios.
May God help us with their prayers.

Here is the translation of the exact same hymn in Malayalam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2zbUG0VnM

Could you identify more clearly all the individuals named in the hymn? I got about 2/3 but not all of them.

The fathers mentioned in this hymn are:
Ignatheeyos the luminous = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
Theologos the sea of wisdom = http://orthodoxwiki.org/Gregory_the_Theologian
Koorelose the sweet waterfall = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_of_Alexandria
Eewanees the golden mouthed = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Chrysostom
Baseleeyos = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Basil_the_Great
Greegoreeyos = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_of_Nyssa
Deeyaskoros = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioscorus_of_Alexandria
Kleemis = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_of_Alexandria
Feelukseenos = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoxenus_of_Mabbug
Severios = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severus_of_Antioch


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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 04:24:33 AM »

I have heard of several Indian, Syriac, and Ethiopian Orthodox hierarchs adopt the name "Dioscorus" while I feel as if many Copts really under appreciate this man. It's a shame, he is truly one of the great heroes of the Church of Alexandria. St Zakaria of Modally says regarding him:
[He was a] man whose faith was like that of Athanasius, [Cyril], and the other Church Doctors.  And seeing that this intrepid man – Dioscorus – had trained himself from his tender years in the Orthodox faith...”
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 06:27:45 AM »

Selam Severian:)
I was looking for this mezmur , its one children grow up singing  the singer here is a secular zemari however, this was a program where the secular singers came together to give praise

 .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXdSEP25CG0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The hymn is Selam tewahido Selam Orthodox ye Athnasios hawelt ye Diyoscoros ye Adam memekiya ye hewan aklil anchi ayideleshim wey yeqidusan kibir!
Selam Tewahedo Selam Orthodox thy pillars are Athenasios and Diyoscoros !You are the Glory of Adam ,the Crown of Eve indeed You are the Glory of the Saints!
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 12:58:03 PM »

Thank you Hiwot! Smiley
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