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The Impact of Vatican IIBefore the Council we thought God spoke directly to the pope
and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
and, properly filtered, to us. After the Council we learned a new geometry.
The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
it was more like a circle,
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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Και κλήρονομον δείξον με, ζωής της αιωνίου
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 09:45:29 PM » |
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2011, 09:51:03 PM » |
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Is this an original? Yes, but not with me. The link is in the "The Impact of Vatican II" title. |
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If you will, you can become all flame.
Extra caritatem nulla salus.
In order to become whole, take the "I" out of "holiness".
I'm not a witch.
Ἄνω σχῶμεν τὰς καρδίας
"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion is." -- Mohandas Gandhi
Y dduw bo'r diolch.
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Papist
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2011, 10:18:20 PM » |
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I looked at the site and almost threw up. Gross.
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"The only-begotten Son of God, wanting us to be partakers of his divinity, assumed our human nature so that, having become man, he might make men gods." - St. Thomas Aquinas
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2011, 10:19:03 PM » |
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It did look a little swervy to me.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2011, 10:24:40 PM » |
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The Impact of Vatican IIBefore the Council we thought God spoke directly to the pope
and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
and, properly filtered, to us. After the Council we learned a new geometry.
The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
it was more like a circle,
where we are all encouraged to have a voice. This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place. But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good. As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh!  |
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2011, 11:58:37 PM » |
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I looked at the site and almost threw up. Gross.
I'm with you, Papist. I, for one, would not drink the watered-down cordial this man is passing off as the faith once and for all delivered to the saints. |
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The Episcopallian road is easy and wide, for many go through it to find destruction. lol sorry channeling Isa.
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2011, 02:48:05 AM » |
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I've read the documents of Vatican Council II and nothing in it signifies this rediculous statement. In fact, it reiterates the believes of the Church. That's why when someone would tell me that "the Church no longer teaches that" I knew they were full of malarkey. The problem was that so many people jumped on the Soul Train thinking it was bound to the Golden Gates.... but ended up leading them straight to... I'm sure you get my point. I don't mean that literally, just figuratively speaking. It was amazing how many folks twisted the words of the Church into this "Spirit of VCII" quackery.
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“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.”
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2012, 11:58:18 AM » |
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"If you judge people, you have no time to love them".
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2012, 12:04:00 PM » |
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He probably thinks the line breaks make it into "poetry."
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"A Poet a Painter a Musician an Architect: the Man Or Woman who is not one of these is not a Christian." - William Blake
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2012, 12:35:10 PM » |
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He probably thinks the line breaks make it into "poetry."
Oh noetry! I know lots of people like to jump on the VII-sucks train, and even I like to do so from time to time, but my anecdotal experience is that — while praise music and holding hands during mass are probably here to stay — Catholic people my age and younger who are even a little serious about their faith are fairly papicolist in their orientation, and the community-drum-circle-of-faith crowd are for the most part aging baby boomers whose influence in the church is waning. |
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Blessed Nazarius practiced the ascetic life. His clothes were tattered. He wore his shoes without removing them for six years. Headscarves cover a multitude of sins.
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2012, 05:02:32 PM » |
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Father Hermann Pottmeyer pointed out, in his book, Towards a Papacy in Communion, that the spirit of the council must be faithful to the letter, and the letter of the council should be interpreted within the spirit of reform that the Fathers intended.
I think the point he was getting at was that there are groups on both sides that want to stress one while ignoring the other.
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2012, 05:05:34 PM » |
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The Impact of Vatican IIBefore the Council we thought God spoke directly to the pope
and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
and, properly filtered, to us. After the Council we learned a new geometry.
The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
it was more like a circle,
where we are all encouraged to have a voice. This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place. But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good. As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh! Replacing reverence with balloons and dancing girls. What's not to feel wonderful about? |
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O Master Lord our God...who are wondrous in glory; who keeps his covenant and his mercy to them who love him with all their heart; who has given us redemption...through his only-begotten son, Jesus Christ...the life of everyone, the help of those who flee to him, the hope of those who cry to him.
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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 05:16:28 PM » |
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The Impact of Vatican IIBefore the Council we thought God spoke directly to the pope
and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
and, properly filtered, to us. After the Council we learned a new geometry.
The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
it was more like a circle,
where we are all encouraged to have a voice. This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place. But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good. As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh! Replacing reverence with balloons and dancing girls. What's not to feel wonderful about? Yes, but how widespread is it really? More widespread than Antiochian altar girls? |
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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2012, 05:39:54 PM » |
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Antiochian altar girls? Hey, when do these show up? Is a shipment late to my parish? |
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2012, 05:50:55 PM » |
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The Impact of Vatican IIBefore the Council we thought God spoke directly to the pope
and that he passed the word down the ecclesiastical pyramid
to the bishops, the priests, the nuns,
and, properly filtered, to us. After the Council we learned a new geometry.
The Church wasn't a pyramid. I
it was more like a circle,
where we are all encouraged to have a voice. This little article gives the impression that prior to Vatican II the Roman Catholic Church was a dour and joyless place. But with Vatican II it was transplanted to the Land of Feel Good. As a pre-Vatican II child I can say that this is a load of tosh! Replacing reverence with balloons and dancing girls. What's not to feel wonderful about? Yes, but how widespread is it really? More widespread than Antiochian altar girls? Antiochian altar girls are a much greater anomaly than liturgical dancers in non-Orthodox churches. |
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O Master Lord our God...who are wondrous in glory; who keeps his covenant and his mercy to them who love him with all their heart; who has given us redemption...through his only-begotten son, Jesus Christ...the life of everyone, the help of those who flee to him, the hope of those who cry to him.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2012, 08:04:06 PM » |
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Looks like some hippy smoking the bong wrote this. It says to paraphrase
"before vat 2 making love was a sin if you didn't do it to make babies" after v2 you can do that with your wife now and enjoy it even if you can't afford to have another baby you don't have to
BullCRAP, while almost every Catholic couple my age uses some form of birthcontrol, the church still says the business of the bedroom is procreation and that "God will provide" if you get pregnant and can't afford it. The only form of birth control they allow is NFP.
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