It's not about strictness but correctness.Seriously, have you thought that, with you, it may be about both? You seem to want to be rather strict in your practice of correctness.
Yes, I guess you have a point there. There really is no such thing as "sort of" correct. Correctness is strict by definition. 2+2=3.93 is simply not correct. Only 4 would be strictly correct. I suppose what we're actually discussing here is Orthopraxy.
My question: What should the Priest do when a drunk parishioner starts to vomit during the DL?
Instruct someone to get a bucket?
No caste for me... I'm full. I may only be just becoming a catechumen - but I believe I am a well-versed catechumen. Try me.
What year did St. Basil the Great die?
Don't ask anything that can be checked in the Wikipedia.
I asked that question because he already got it wrong earlier in the thread
Well, I guess I deserved that; we are discussing "super-correctness"! But to be fair my post does read "around
A.D. 400". Still - point taken.
standing with faces turned towards the great I AM with arms outstretched”.
The only time I have ever seen anyone stand that long "with arms outstretched" was in boot camp.
Well I would argue that just proves how much things have changed.
In My "traditional" ROCOR parish where practices generally will pass the "correctness" meter many do sit on the floor (as we have no pews) during the sermons. The sermons are usually no more the 7-8 minutes.
I understand the zealousness that would bring a new Orthodox inquirer to want to see everything in the Church in a "correct" fashion but from personal experience these small things really are not that important. Focus on your personal salvation and all will be good.
"Bound up with this is a disease of today's Orthodox Christians which can be deadly: the 'correctness disease.' . . . If you are critical of others, self-confident about your correctness, eager to quote canons to prove someone else is wrong, constantly 'knowing better' than others--you have the germs of the 'correctness disease.' These are signs of immaturity in spiritual life . . ." Hieromonk Seraphim Rose
I see what you mean; perhaps I am slightly guilty of this - but I think not so much. We're not in Church; we're just discussing things in a (generally) friendly way.
If the sermons are only 7 or 8 minutes - it should be easy to remain standing for that long!
I am not really trying to be critical of others any more than they are being critical of me. I am talking about practice not people. I would never say to someone in Church, "You really should be standing you know!" but I think that's different from us discussing the matter here in an informal setting. In Church I do my thing and I don't worry about what others do. But here and now, I have an opinion which I'm entitled to.
I didn't make these things up... the Church has always done them for the most part up until the last few centuries.
The only perfect churches are the ones without people. Sky down on the catechumen zealousness over non-essentials.
There are plenty of Churches which don't sit. They have plenty of people. How is quoting what a Saint and father of the Church has written classed as "zealousness" - as if it's a bad thing? Being correct is good! Was St.Augustine too zealous? Or is he a Saint because of his Orthodoxy and his zeal?
The Christian must not
become sluggish (lazy), but be a zealous follower of those who ″inherit the promises″ because the growth of the virtues makes the laziness go away.
Michał Kalina, here's my version: