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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #90 on: August 03, 2011, 02:28:14 PM »
How would you know he is a heretic?
I am not sure. Anyway, I saw a posted sign at an Orthodox Church indicating that they had adult catechism classes on Thursday nights at 7:30. I indicated to the Orthodox priest there that I was interested in attending and learning more about the Orthodox Church. He said that I was a heretic and that he did not allow heretics to attend his classes, but only those who had been baptised and chrismated in the Orthodox church. So I guess he had some criteria to determine who was and who was not a heretic.

Wow...that souns a bit absurd...
Yes, that does sound absurd. I think of a catechism class as something intended specifically for those who have NOT yet been baptized and chrismated.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #91 on: August 03, 2011, 03:39:01 PM »
Can we please get back on topic?
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #92 on: August 03, 2011, 04:06:08 PM »
Can we please get back on topic?
How has this discussion veered off topic? The discussion of heresy and the heresies one sees in communions outside one's own is important to the topic of whether one would receive Communion from a priest outside one's own church.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #93 on: August 03, 2011, 04:22:25 PM »
^Okay, good point, I guess you're right. When I said "get back on topic" I eant discussing whether you would commune in these other Churches if you were isolated from a parish of your own faith tradition.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #94 on: August 03, 2011, 05:40:19 PM »
How would you know he is a heretic?
I am not sure. Anyway, I saw a posted sign at an Orthodox Church indicating that they had adult catechism classes on Thursday nights at 7:30. I indicated to the Orthodox priest there that I was interested in attending and learning more about the Orthodox Church. He said that I was a heretic and that he did not allow heretics to attend his classes, but only those who had been baptised and chrismated in the Orthodox church. So I guess he had some criteria to determine who was and who was not a heretic.

Wow...that souns a bit absurd...
Yes, that does sound absurd. I think of a catechism class as something intended specifically for those who have NOT yet been baptized and chrismated.

Exactly, I hope he misheard the priest...
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #95 on: August 03, 2011, 08:41:48 PM »
How would you know he is a heretic?
I am not sure. Anyway, I saw a posted sign at an Orthodox Church indicating that they had adult catechism classes on Thursday nights at 7:30. I indicated to the Orthodox priest there that I was interested in attending and learning more about the Orthodox Church. He said that I was a heretic and that he did not allow heretics to attend his classes, but only those who had been baptised and chrismated in the Orthodox church. So I guess he had some criteria to determine who was and who was not a heretic.

 >:(

Please tell me that this priest was from a group that has a name like: True-Blue Super-Orthodox Dogmatically and Canonically Perfecto Supremo Uber-Right Believing Greek Hellenic Ancient Greek Orthodox Catholic Greek Orthopraxical Church...?
Antioch Orthodox Church. BTW, the Orthodox priest was a convert from the Baptist group. He was not Orthodox from childhood, but Baptist.  When he saw me flinch at his comment, he tried to soften his statement by saying that even his father, who was a Baptist minister, was a heretic. Anyway, no, he would not allow me to attend his class. My guess is that he did not like Roman Catholics, or he did not like my discussion in which I was talking about Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine. BTW, he said that St. Augustine was not a Saint, but was Blessed.   I was slightly acquainted  with a girl who was  a student at the local college, and she was an Anglican. In a casual conversation with her,  she told me that she was attending his evening class on thursdays. He did belong to a canonical Orthodox Church, the Antiochan Orthodox Church, which I believe had accepted a certain number of people from the Baptist group in the past. 

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #96 on: August 03, 2011, 08:44:10 PM »
Can we please get back on topic?
OK. I apologise, but the question came up as to who was and who was not a heretic.

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #97 on: August 03, 2011, 08:46:33 PM »
Can we please get back on topic?
OK. I apologise, but the question came up as to who was and who was not a heretic.
^No problem, nevermind.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #98 on: August 03, 2011, 11:27:05 PM »
How would you know he is a heretic?
I am not sure. Anyway, I saw a posted sign at an Orthodox Church indicating that they had adult catechism classes on Thursday nights at 7:30. I indicated to the Orthodox priest there that I was interested in attending and learning more about the Orthodox Church. He said that I was a heretic and that he did not allow heretics to attend his classes, but only those who had been baptised and chrismated in the Orthodox church. So I guess he had some criteria to determine who was and who was not a heretic.

 >:(

Please tell me that this priest was from a group that has a name like: True-Blue Super-Orthodox Dogmatically and Canonically Perfecto Supremo Uber-Right Believing Greek Hellenic Ancient Greek Orthodox Catholic Greek Orthopraxical Church...?
Antioch Orthodox Church. BTW, the Orthodox priest was a convert from the Baptist group. He was not Orthodox from childhood, but Baptist.  When he saw me flinch at his comment, he tried to soften his statement by saying that even his father, who was a Baptist minister, was a heretic. Anyway, no, he would not allow me to attend his class. My guess is that he did not like Roman Catholics, or he did not like my discussion in which I was talking about Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine. BTW, he said that St. Augustine was not a Saint, but was Blessed.   I was slightly acquainted  with a girl who was  a student at the local college, and she was an Anglican. In a casual conversation with her,  she told me that she was attending his evening class on thursdays. He did belong to a canonical Orthodox Church, the Antiochan Orthodox Church, which I believe had accepted a certain number of people from the Baptist group in the past. 
Shows you how much he knows if he says St. Augustine is not a saint. ::)
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #99 on: August 04, 2011, 01:35:35 AM »
St Augustine of Hippo is listed on every Orthodox calendar I have encountered (Greek, Russian, Serbian, and others). His feastday is June 15. Orthodox saints are not required to be infallible, only holy and God-pleasing.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #100 on: August 04, 2011, 10:05:45 AM »
How would you know he is a heretic?
I am not sure. Anyway, I saw a posted sign at an Orthodox Church indicating that they had adult catechism classes on Thursday nights at 7:30. I indicated to the Orthodox priest there that I was interested in attending and learning more about the Orthodox Church. He said that I was a heretic and that he did not allow heretics to attend his classes, but only those who had been baptised and chrismated in the Orthodox church. So I guess he had some criteria to determine who was and who was not a heretic.

 >:(

Please tell me that this priest was from a group that has a name like: True-Blue Super-Orthodox Dogmatically and Canonically Perfecto Supremo Uber-Right Believing Greek Hellenic Ancient Greek Orthodox Catholic Greek Orthopraxical Church...?
Antioch Orthodox Church. BTW, the Orthodox priest was a convert from the Baptist group. He was not Orthodox from childhood, but Baptist.  When he saw me flinch at his comment, he tried to soften his statement by saying that even his father, who was a Baptist minister, was a heretic. Anyway, no, he would not allow me to attend his class. My guess is that he did not like Roman Catholics, or he did not like my discussion in which I was talking about Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine. BTW, he said that St. Augustine was not a Saint, but was Blessed.   I was slightly acquainted  with a girl who was  a student at the local college, and she was an Anglican. In a casual conversation with her,  she told me that she was attending his evening class on thursdays. He did belong to a canonical Orthodox Church, the Antiochan Orthodox Church, which I believe had accepted a certain number of people from the Baptist group in the past. 
Shows you how much he knows if he says St. Augustine is not a saint. ::)

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #101 on: August 04, 2011, 12:58:43 PM »
I've heard of that, Orthodox calling him "Blessed Augustine" but not "St. Augustine".

"Blessed" is a type of "Saint" like "Martyr", "Confessor", "Apostle" etc.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2011, 04:03:49 PM »
I've heard of that, Orthodox calling him "Blessed Augustine" but not "St. Augustine".

He is called Ό Αγίος Αυγουστίνος - "Saint Augustine"
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2011, 06:27:23 PM »
Okay, now that we've gone down this rat hole of whether St. Augustine is a saint or not, a subject we have discussed on other threads, could we get back on the topic of the OP?
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #104 on: August 17, 2011, 10:56:04 PM »
I would commune in an Oriental Church.

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #105 on: August 17, 2011, 10:58:27 PM »
I would commune in an Oriental Church.
But not in an RC parish, I assume?

As I have said, I wouldn't feel comfortable communing in any Church besides the EOC or the OOC.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #106 on: August 17, 2011, 10:59:45 PM »
I would commune in an Oriental Church.
But not in an RC parish, I assume?

As I have said, I wouldn't feel comfortable communing in any Church besides the EOC or the OOC.
Not even in a Melchite Catholic Church in an emergency situation?

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #107 on: August 17, 2011, 11:08:00 PM »
Not even in a Melchite Catholic Church in an emergency situation?
Please define "emergency situation".
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #108 on: August 18, 2011, 12:04:51 AM »
Not even in a Melchite Catholic Church in an emergency situation?
Please define "emergency situation".
You are at the point of death. The doctor has given you one hour to live and there is no E. Orthodox priest or OO priest within one thousand miles. You are in a hospital bed and the Melchite Catholic priest is next door.

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #109 on: August 18, 2011, 12:09:48 AM »
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You are at the point of death. The doctor has given you one hour to live and there is no E. Orthodox priest or OO priest within one thousand miles. You are in a hospital bed and the Melchite Catholic priest is next door.
I must say, that is an excellent question... Let me think about it/sleep on it and I'll tell you later.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2011, 06:01:59 AM »
Not even in a Melchite Catholic Church in an emergency situation?
Please define "emergency situation".
You are at the point of death. The doctor has given you one hour to live and there is no E. Orthodox priest or OO priest within one thousand miles. You are in a hospital bed and the Melchite Catholic priest is next door.
I would say this, I would only commune from the Melkite Priest if my Orthodox Priest/Spiritual Father gave me permission to do so. In which case, if I have sinned against God by communing from the Melkite, the responsibility would be on my Priest's shoulders and not on mine. A part of me does want to say that the RC eucharist is 'valid', but I, as of yet, cannot say for sure if it is.

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #111 on: August 18, 2011, 07:03:42 AM »
Not even in a Melchite Catholic Church in an emergency situation?
Please define "emergency situation".
You are at the point of death. The doctor has given you one hour to live and there is no E. Orthodox priest or OO priest within one thousand miles. You are in a hospital bed and the Melchite Catholic priest is next door.

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2011, 07:29:06 AM »
I would not commune at any rite in communion with the Vatican (no offense). :)
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2011, 01:30:52 PM »
Not even in a Melchite Catholic Church in an emergency situation?
Please define "emergency situation".
You are at the point of death. The doctor has given you one hour to live and there is no E. Orthodox priest or OO priest within one thousand miles. You are in a hospital bed and the Melchite Catholic priest is next door.
I would say this, I would only commune from the Melkite Priest if my Orthodox Priest/Spiritual Father gave me permission to do so. In which case, if I have sinned against God by communing from the Melkite, the responsibility would be on my Priest's shoulders and not on mine. A part of me does want to say that the RC eucharist is 'valid', but I, as of yet, cannot say for sure if it is.

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So, because you exercise your free will by doing something your priest has permitted--note that I don't say instructed--you to do, you are no longer responsible for your action? Unless he instructs you to do something, the decision to do something is still yours, and you would not be disobeying your priest to refuse. Therefore, the responsibility would still be on your shoulders, would it not?
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #114 on: August 18, 2011, 06:02:06 PM »
So, because you exercise your free will by doing something your priest has permitted--note that I don't say instructed--you to do, you are no longer responsible for your action? Unless he instructs you to do something, the decision to do something is still yours, and you would not be disobeying your priest to refuse. Therefore, the responsibility would still be on your shoulders, would it not?

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #115 on: August 18, 2011, 06:59:01 PM »
So, because you exercise your free will by doing something your priest has permitted--note that I don't say instructed--you to do, you are no longer responsible for your action? Unless he instructs you to do something, the decision to do something is still yours, and you would not be disobeying your priest to refuse. Therefore, the responsibility would still be on your shoulders, would it not?
I'm sorry let me clarify, if he insisted I would commune, in fact, that was the meaning I was trying to convey in my previous post.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #116 on: September 29, 2015, 12:41:06 AM »
I was just wondering if you would receive communion from Priests of the following Churches if you couldn't commune from a Priest of your own tradition:

1. Assyrian Church of the East
2. Eastern Orthodox Church
3. Oriental Orthodox Church
4. Roman Catholic Church
5. Anglican

For me, if I couldn't commune in an OO Church...

1. Assyrian Church: No, I'm sorry I just cannot receive the sacraments from a Church which venerates Nestorius. (No offense intended)

2. Eastern Orthodox: Yes, we share the same faith even if we aren't in canonical communion.

3. Roman Catholic: Meh... I'd be quite hesitant, quite a bit separates Orthodoxy from Catholicism. If my Bishop granted me dispensation, maybe.

4. Anglican (even if they believe in the real presence): No. (No offense intended)

What about you? Would you commune in the aforementioned Churches if you couldn't commune in your own Church?
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1. Assyrian Church of the East -Never. Under any circumstance.
2. Eastern Orthodox Church -Never. Under any circumstance.
3. Oriental Orthodox Church -Yes :)
4. Roman Catholic Church -Never. Under any circumstance.
5. Anglican -Never. Under any circumstance.

Please disregard my previous posts in this thread.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #117 on: September 29, 2015, 01:56:22 AM »
I was just wondering if you would receive communion from Priests of the following Churches if you couldn't commune from a Priest of your own tradition:

1. Assyrian Church of the East
2. Eastern Orthodox Church
3. Oriental Orthodox Church
4. Roman Catholic Church
5. Anglican

For me, if I couldn't commune in an OO Church...

1. Assyrian Church: No, I'm sorry I just cannot receive the sacraments from a Church which venerates Nestorius. (No offense intended)

2. Eastern Orthodox: Yes, we share the same faith even if we aren't in canonical communion.

3. Roman Catholic: Meh... I'd be quite hesitant, quite a bit separates Orthodoxy from Catholicism. If my Bishop granted me dispensation, maybe.

4. Anglican (even if they believe in the real presence): No. (No offense intended)

What about you? Would you commune in the aforementioned Churches if you couldn't commune in your own Church?
An update on my current position...

1. Assyrian Church of the East -Never. Under any circumstance.
2. Eastern Orthodox Church -Never. Under any circumstance.
3. Oriental Orthodox Church -Yes :)
4. Roman Catholic Church -Never. Under any circumstance.
5. Anglican -Never. Under any circumstance.

Please disregard my previous posts in this thread.

1. Never.
2. Only under exceptional circumstances and with the permission of my bishop.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #118 on: September 29, 2015, 02:15:00 AM »
I'm an Eastern Orthodox
1. Assyrian Church of the East: never in any circumstances
2. Eastern Orthodox Church : MY HOME and only in the canonical one.
3. Oriental Orthodox Church: If only when I travel to a country where there is only OOC. Amen.
4. Roman Catholic Church NEVER because I don't believe in Apostle creed of RC eventhough the concecration of Body and Blood of Christ is Amen.
5. Anglican : Never but I would attend the mass.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #119 on: September 29, 2015, 02:58:43 AM »

I'm an Eastern Orthodox Christian.

1. Assyrian Church of the East: NEVER in any circumstance
2. Eastern Orthodox Church : MY HOME and only in the True GOC.
3. Oriental Orthodox Church: NEVER although I admire their faith and pray for them in these dire times.
4. Roman Catholic Church NEVER
5. Anglican : NEVER
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #120 on: September 29, 2015, 05:41:20 AM »
1. Assyrian Church of the East: NEVER in any circumstance
2. Eastern Orthodox Church : MY HOME
3. Oriental Orthodox Church:  I would NOT say NEVER; in emergency situation
4. Roman Catholic Church  : NEVER in any circumstance
5. Anglican : NEVER in any circumstance
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #121 on: September 29, 2015, 11:08:11 AM »
The question only makes sense to me when it is a matter of prolonged, dire, circumstances (e.g., prison with sadistic guards, slave labor camp)

1. Assyrian Church of the East: highly unlikely to arise, but  YES
2. Eastern Orthodox Church : Always OK
3. Oriental Orthodox Church:  YES
4. Roman Catholic Church  : YES
5. Anglican : YES

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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #122 on: September 29, 2015, 03:52:46 PM »
I wouldn't commune outside of the Orthodox Church under any circumstances.... when i hear the term "emergency communion"  i am thinking like - do you really have an emergency need to excommunicate yourself from the Church ?

Furthermore i have good reasons to seriously doubt the validity of the Eucharist outside of the Orthodox Church.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #123 on: September 29, 2015, 04:03:25 PM »
I was just wondering if you would receive communion from Priests of the following Churches if you couldn't commune from a Priest of your own tradition:

1. Assyrian Church of the East
Probably not. I would probably end up taking a closer look at Nestorianism's compatibility though.
Your question must be asking about a situation where a EO church is not accessible, like if you are living in the mountains four hours away from an EO Church.
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2. Eastern Orthodox Church
3. Oriental Orthodox Church
4. Roman Catholic Church
Yes, based on the Thyateira confession.
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5. Anglican
Maybe, based on the Thyateira confession. But it really depends on what the Anglican church was like near me. I refused communion in the Anglican church on a rare instance when I attended it.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #124 on: September 29, 2015, 04:21:39 PM »
Realistically speaking, isn't it situational?
What if I am going in and out of consciousness on the ground, having trouble thinking, and then an ASE priest shows up and says "Yes, Mstislav, the Theanthropos is the union of two prosopa"? Or an OO priest schooled in the beliefs of Severus of Antioch arrives, proposes the Eucharist and says "we must confess the union of two hypostases"?

I really don't know, because even among priests there are those with different beliefs. Some of them, like the RCs and traditional Protestants actually agree with the EO position on the main questions about who God and Christ themselves are, like some Catholics agreeing on the substance of the issue of the filioque. I don't see St. Augustine's belief on original sin to be so drastically different that it demands schism, since he is still a saint in our church too.
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Re: Communion from a Priest Outside Your Own Church
« Reply #125 on: September 29, 2015, 04:27:02 PM »
Roman Orthodox Church: Yes.
Oriental Orthodox Church: Yes, under extreme circumstances.
Schismatic "Genuine" "True" Orthodox: Yes, under extreme circumstances.
Assyrian Church: No.
Roman Catholic Church: No.
Other schismatic Orthodox groups e.g., Old Believers: Yes, under extreme circumstances.
Protestant groups: No.

The extreme circumstances as I see them are again, say the systematic eradication of an entire sect from the landscape. That's usually the scenario I have in mind when I ask this question. I will never commune from Protestants, neither from Roman Catholics until the latter prove the veracity, or at least to a reasonable extent, of their highly disputable claims.
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