If the Church is infallible about faith and morals then its teachings must be obeyed.
I totally agree.
Therefore if someone believes that the Church doesn't have to be obeyed then they don't believe the Church is infallible regardless of their claims to believe in the infallibility of the Church.
I don't know about that. Remeber niether me or your can speak for all pro-choice Catholics. But from personal expirence, pro-choice Catholics do believe that the Church is infallible, just not on abortion.
Also if they believe the Church can make a mistake about an issue as important as abortion then they believe the Church is fallible because an infallible organization cannot make a mistake about an issue like abortion.
But the Church hasn't always condemned all forms of abortion, and hasn't always taught life starts at the moment of conception. So the pro-choice Catholic would ask, which one is wrong? How can the "infallible" teachings of the Church hundreds of years ago contradict the "infallible" teachings of the Church today?
What a pro-choice Catholic does is limit the Church's authority and an infallible organization ordained by God himself to 'bind and loose' can't be limited.
I totally agree.
It doesn't matter what they say. What matters is what they do and no one who believes the Church is infallible believes that it's possible for the Church to be wrong about abortion.
But the Catholic teaching on abortion has not always been the same, and pro-choice Catholics use that to show, the Church's position on abortion can be wrong.
No, the magisterium cannot teach heresy. The magisterium is the teaching authority of the Church. Individual bishops or even groups of bishops can teach heresy but the magisterium cannot teach heresy.
It is true that the entire magisterium can not teach or embrace heresy, but the vast majority can, as it has in the past, and as I traditional Catholic I would even argue that is the case today!
Now that's just silly. I think you think that venial sins are not serious sins. Unrepented venial sins predispose us to mortal sin. Venial sin weakens charity.
We are only required to confess mortal sins in confession, we can confess venial sins if we wish, and are encouraged to do so, but it is not neccesary. Therefore, if only priests can committ a mortal sin, then there is no need to have confession for laymen.
We all believe that people 'can' commit mortal sins but mortal sin requires such a complete knowledge of the gravity of the act that this priest (and many others, btw) doubt that the average person is capable of commiting a mortal sin.
To committ a mortal sin, we just must realize and totally understand that it is a very serious sin, that it is very very bad, but we do it anyway. You don't have to hate God to committ a mortal sin! Or wish to hurt him! You just must know what you are doing is very very bad, that it is contrary to the laws of God and his Church and is forbidden, but you do it anyway.
They may committed things on the official list of mortal sins but as we saw in the link from the Summa, mortal sins can become venial and venial sins can become mortal based on knowledge.
Exactly. It is based on knowledge, if you know it is a mortal sin and do it anyway, you have commited a mortal sin! But if you have no idea that it is a mortal sin, then you clearly didn't committ a mortal sin. You must have the knowledge that what you are doing is a grave sin, but you do it anyway, to committ a mortal sin.
What do you mean by "do it anyway?"
Ummm lol how is not clear? Let me go back to me stealing a candy bar when I was younger...
I knew stealing was wrong and a very very serious sin, but I DID IT ANYWAY. That means that before, during, and after I stole it, I knew that what I was doing was wrong, and a serious sin.
I know so many people who committ very serious sins, and have full knowledge that they are serious sins, but they committ the sin anyway. Meaning, that they knew it was wrong, but that didn't stop them from doing it.
That had absolute faith that immediately after stealing that candy bar that you would die and go to hell and you didn't care? Or that you figured you'd have a chance to work everything out with God because you'd go to confession the next saturday? Or that you didn't really believe that God would send you to hell for stealing a candy bar?
The Catholic Church teaches that those who die in the state of mortal sin, go to Hell. And remember we must obey the teachings of the Church, if we believe that the Church is who it claimes to be.
So, if me stealing that candy bar was a mortal sin, then yes I would have gone to Hell if I died right after stealing it. And since I had full knowledge that it was wrong and a serious sin but did it anyway, it was a mortal sin.
Committing a mortal sin hurts God because it is a deliberate personal choice to disobey God's law
Exactly, but that in no way means that hurting or hating God must be our intention for us to committ a mortal sin. When you know something is a serious sin and you do it anyway, you have made a personal choice to disobey God's law, because you understand that what you are doing contradicts the law of God!