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« on: July 05, 2011, 04:50:57 PM »

Does anyone know where I can find the writings of St Dioscorus? I have read bits of his by biography written by his secretary, Theopistus, and I have found a couple of his letters here and there, but, does anyone know where I can find some of his other works?

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2011, 04:57:03 PM »

I am trying to prepare a volume of his collected materials.

Get hold of the Acts of the Second Council of Ephesus, that contains much information.

Also the Acts of Chalcedon by Fr Richard Price which are the authoritative edition. He is a Catholic scholar and he calls St Dioscorus a second Athanasius.

If you have French then there is his Histoire, of which I have translated a few chapters online and have more in progress.

There are a number of other letters, and the Six Anathemas he issued, which were confirmed by successive generations of Fathers.

My collection will also include various chronicles that refer to him, and the chapter on his writings (as they were known at the beginning of the 20th century) by Joseph Lebon, the first and one of the greatest scholars of our Christology in the West.

God bless your studies. I value St Dioscorus' heavenly patronage very much.

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2011, 04:58:52 PM »

Thank you very much Fr. Peter I'll keep an eye out for the material you mentioned.

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2011, 05:06:08 PM »

Whereabouts in the world are you, if you don't mind me asking.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 05:34:05 PM »



There are a number of other letters, and the Six Anathemas he issued, which were confirmed by successive generations of Fathers.
Where is the complete text of the Six Anathemas available?
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 06:10:22 PM »

Whereabouts in the world are you, if you don't mind me asking.
I live in the U.S.
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There are a number of other letters, and the Six Anathemas he issued, which were confirmed by successive generations of Fathers.
Where is the complete text of the Six Anathemas available?
This is what I found on another forum:

-Chalcedon is anathematised because the members of the council contradicted the faith of Nicaea, introducing a different nature into the Trinity by proposing a fourth hypostasis.
-Chalcedon is anathematised because it has trampled under foot the canons and prescriptions of the Fathers.
-Chalcedon is anathematised because the teachings which were established there have overturned the teachings of the council of Ephesus, and in making a new definition of the faith the council has fallen under the anathemas issued at Ephesus.
-Chalcedon is anathematised because it has corrupted the patristic doctrine and has received the Tome of Leo.
-Chalcedon is anathematised because it has accepted the communion of the partisans of Nestorius, such as Ibas.
-Chalcedon is anathematised because in conformity with the doctrine of Nestorius the members of the council have distinguished two natures in Christ, separated into their proprieties; and they have offered Christ two adorations, calling one God and the other man

Now I'm not sure if this is the exact text, but, that's the basic substance of the anathemas, if I'm not mistaken. It just goes to show how ambiguous Chalcedon was, if this is how Pope St. Dioscorus interpreted it then his rejection of Chalcedon was completely justified.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011, 06:46:42 PM »

Get hold of the Acts of the Second Council of Ephesus, that contains much information.
Father, do you think Perry's translation is sufficient? On an older thread EkhristosAnesti described his translation as "old and polemical", so I wasn't sure if that translation was the best for studying Ephesus II.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2011, 02:57:22 AM »

Perry's translation seems fine to me.

The language is formal, and his notes often betray his polemics, but there are many notes which are useful and the text does not appear to me to have been changed by Perry at all.

I think that someone is working on a new edition, but there is no need to wait.

The text of my article on the Six Anathemas can be found here at present. I believe it is probably the source of your list.

http://www.orthodoxmedway.org/rejection.pdf
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 05:12:50 AM »

Perry's translation seems fine to me.

The language is formal, and his notes often betray his polemics, but there are many notes which are useful and the text does not appear to me to have been changed by Perry at all.

I think that someone is working on a new edition, but there is no need to wait.

The text of my article on the Six Anathemas can be found here at present. I believe it is probably the source of your list.

http://www.orthodoxmedway.org/rejection.pdf

Father, I seem to recall you refering to some anathematization by Pope Dioscoros of heretics (and others by name) including Ibas.  What was that?
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 06:20:59 AM »

Ibas, Theodoret and others were condemned at Ephesus 449AD.

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2011, 09:09:15 AM »

Ibas, Theodoret and others were condemned at Ephesus 449AD.


Eutyches was not.  IIRC Salpy quoted you, Father, from the Gladesbury Review, and you followed up, with a set of anathemas which mentioned Ibas by name, and I though Eutyches too.  IIRC, it was after 451.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2011, 09:41:44 AM »

But there is an obvious reason why not. He provided an Orthodox confession of Faith and was willing to agree that the humanity of the incarnate Word was consubstantial with us.

He was not received until he had made such a confession, and his community of monks were not received until they had also been questioned and also produced an Orthodox confession of Faith.

Are you saying that having given an Orthodox confession of Faith he should have been excommunicated?

I have written about Eutyches at some length in this paper..

http://www.orthodoxmedway.org/eutyches.pdf
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2011, 09:45:05 AM »

You will see from the preceding document that I linked to that Eutyches was condemned and anathematised soon after Chalcedon. It is not entirely clear to me, as I state, whether this was because of some actual teaching of Eutyches (it may well have been that he decided that actually he did not want to say that the humanity of the incarnate Word was consubstantial with us), or whether it was because he was anathematised as standing for those few people who did extend his views into definite heresy.

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A couple of posts were split off and put in the private forum:

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