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« on: June 30, 2011, 09:33:14 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/nyregion/19cuomo.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print


March 18, 2011

A Cuomo Who Is Catholic but Hardly Theological
By PAUL VITELLO

He goes to Mass, though not every Sunday. He considers himself a practicing Roman Catholic, yet avoids calling himself devout. He opposes the death penalty, as church leaders do. But he is divorced. And he supports same-sex marriage and abortion rights, stances sharply at odds with church teaching.

In other words, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York shares the churchgoing habits and social views of a sizable number of the 68 million Americans who have identified themselves as Catholic in recent surveys. His brand of faith is so commonplace — at least in New York — that it was barely mentioned during his campaign last year for governor...

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2011, 09:55:39 PM »

Humorously enough, regardless of what he wishes to call himself, if he supports abortion he is not Catholic.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 02:59:51 PM »

Humorously enough, regardless of what he wishes to call himself, if he supports abortion he is not Catholic.
Exactly. By denying the faith, he is put himself outside the unity of the Church.
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2011, 04:01:17 PM »

Humorously enough, regardless of what he wishes to call himself, if he supports abortion he is not Catholic.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2011, 04:21:35 PM »

Humorously enough, regardless of what he wishes to call himself, if he supports abortion he is not Catholic.
Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.
That's not true. You can do things that put you outside the Church. Supporting abortion is one of them.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2011, 04:44:29 PM »

Humorously enough, regardless of what he wishes to call himself, if he supports abortion he is not Catholic.
Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.
That's not true. You can do things that put you outside the Church. Supporting abortion is one of them.
Indeed!  If "once a Catholic, always a Catholic" were absolute, there would be no such things as the anathema and excommunication.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2011, 02:46:44 AM »

I think that saying is more of a cultural thing and not necessarily relating to the act of being excommunicated by the RCC.  I think the the Catholic bishops of NY should tread carefully in dealing with the governor.  If they publically  dealt with him in  harsh mannor then the confusion which could result might cause a backlash against the RCC (After all, whens the last time a public official was publically excommunicated by a bishop?).  Look what happened in Russia when St Tikhon anathematized the Communist in 1918? The godless authorities used it as an excuse to attack the ROC even further by claiming that they were disloyal and traitorous.  The anathema's were used as an excuse to persecute the Church even more then she was already experiencing.  I don't think that such an event would occur in NY State, but still there are a lot of anti Catholic folks as well as lapsed or nominal RC's who could be swayed against the Church if such an event took place. 

It probably would be better if the Pope or some high official in the Vatican took the initiative and thus remove the burden of responsibility from the NY bishops shoulders and thus the blame as well.
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