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Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« on: June 22, 2004, 03:28:19 AM »
Ok so does anyone know where I can find good Icons of pre-Schism western saints?  Particularly looking for STs. Gregory the Great (the Dialogiust and Pope of Rome), Patrick, Columcille of Iona, Donald of Scotland, Gregory of Tours, and Ambrose of Milan, however I would very much apreciate info on others as well.

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2004, 03:53:50 AM »
This doesn't have to do with Icons of such saints, but when is the cut off? When are they considered saints? Only pre-1054? Or is based on the individual. I mean the Filioque was used in some parts of the west as early as the 5th century, so how has the Orthodox Church dealt with this in the past? I am sure it is a long process, that of glorification, just wondering. :)
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2004, 04:41:02 AM »
well also 1054 is not a universal cut off either.  In England the date is given as norman conquest in 1066.  Now some here are going to talk about the Saxon Orthodox "myth" and just as a forewarning I will not dignify such with a response as it has been sufficiently deliberated over elsewhere and I am ust plum tired of arguing it. ;)

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2004, 05:00:09 AM »
When did the Filioque come into use in England?
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2004, 05:24:01 AM »
Joe, check Holy Transfiguration Monastery, as I know they have the first three you listed.  If you want to buy some icons, I can also suggest a relatively local Orthodox bookstore that specializes in icons of non-hellenic and non-slavonic saints.
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2004, 12:56:09 PM »
Joe,

Here is a link to online icons of numerous pre-Schism saints:

http://www.odox.net/Icons-Western-Saints.htm

(I neither endorse nor slam the website; although I did live for some years where they are located, and knew of some interesting shenanigans.)

Down the page, you will find information links to a number of icon sources.  

The group in Wisconsin (St. Isaac Skete) sells well-crafted icon print reproductions.  Their icons are a good buy, if you find what you like.

In that "good icon" is subjective, to some extent, you can take or leave my remarks about another source listed there -- The Convent of St. Elizabeth.  I once commissioned a copy of an icon that originally was painted by one of the nuns there.  When the icon arrived, months later, I was horrified by its cartoon-like appearance.  I would not order a handpainted icon from them, unless you can locate a satisfied customer to reassure you.  

I hope you find what you want!

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2004, 07:18:55 PM »
thanks everyone for the links.  David please do send me the info on that bookstore...

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2004, 11:44:19 PM »
Here is another site, with a variety of iconographers, some which are wrting western saints-quality varies between them

http://www.comeandseeicons.com/icons.htm
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2004, 01:17:56 AM »
Does anyone still paint them in the proper vesture for their place and period instead of the modern Byzantine or Russian vestments?  I mean even Ephraim the Syrian is not painted in Byzantine Vestments.

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2004, 01:20:44 AM »
btw thanks for the link Spiros!

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2004, 01:45:45 AM »
Here you go, Joe:

ST. TIKHON THE TREE DWELLER ORTHODOX BOOKSTORE
(Bookstore for St. Catherine Orthodox Church)
732 New Bridge Road Aiken, South Carolina 29802
e-mail: ebrand@znet.com
Open for Wednesday/Saturday Night Vespers and Sunday mornings
Specializing in Arabic icons and non-Greek/Russian icons
$1 for catalog of Arabic icons in color
c/o Deacon Tikhon the Tree Planter
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2004, 01:46:29 AM »
Looks like they have more of an arabic focus over that of western saints.  I believe they have a good selection of western saints, though, so you may want to email or call.
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2004, 01:50:03 AM »
ok.  Thanks!!

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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2004, 01:53:34 AM »
By the way, Deacon Tikhon, the proprietor of said bookshop, is affectionally referred to in these parts as "Deacon Tikhon, the beacon for those that are seekin'"  :)
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Re:Icons of Orthodox Saints of the West
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2004, 01:54:46 AM »
hehe!  sounds like an interesting nikname.

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