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« on: June 22, 2011, 05:37:48 PM »

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/boston-archdiocese-allows-rescheduled-gay-pride-mass


Boston archdiocese allows rescheduled ‘gay pride’ Mass
by Kathleen Gilbert
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BOSTON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A ‘gay-friendly’ parish in Boston is celebrating a victory after leaders in the parish said the archdiocese of Boston had given permission to reschedule a Mass intended to celebrate Boston’s gay pride month for a less controversial date.

The Mass, with the theme “All Are Welcome,” has been rescheduled for July 10 after the archbishop’s office rejected an earlier date that diocesan officials said implied too much cooperation with the city’s gay pride celebrations...

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 05:56:57 PM »

What is your motivation for posting this on an Orthodox site? Is it to invite Orthodox Christians to openly bash/disagree with the Catholic Church? Is it seeking approval from Orthodox Christians?

Based on how other threads concerning homosexuality just turn into long diatribes, what were you hoping to accomplish in posting this here? I ask as I really don't see how this benefits us in our walk with Christ.

Please, enlighten me Robb.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 07:01:37 PM »

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/boston-archdiocese-allows-rescheduled-gay-pride-mass


Boston archdiocese allows rescheduled ‘gay pride’ Mass
by Kathleen Gilbert
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BOSTON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A ‘gay-friendly’ parish in Boston is celebrating a victory after leaders in the parish said the archdiocese of Boston had given permission to reschedule a Mass intended to celebrate Boston’s gay pride month for a less controversial date.

The Mass, with the theme “All Are Welcome,” has been rescheduled for July 10 after the archbishop’s office rejected an earlier date that diocesan officials said implied too much cooperation with the city’s gay pride celebrations...


Thank you for the post. I am sure some of our clergy will join this mass.
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 08:09:28 PM »

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Boston archdiocese allows rescheduled ‘gay pride’ Mass
by Kathleen Gilbert
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BOSTON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A ‘gay-friendly’ parish in Boston is celebrating a victory after leaders in the parish said the archdiocese of Boston had given permission to reschedule a Mass intended to celebrate Boston’s gay pride month for a less controversial date.

The Mass, with the theme “All Are Welcome,” has been rescheduled for July 10 after the archbishop’s office rejected an earlier date that diocesan officials said implied too much cooperation with the city’s gay pride celebrations...


Thank you for the post. I am sure some of our clergy will join this mass.
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 08:17:55 PM »

What is your motivation for posting this on an Orthodox site? Is it to invite Orthodox Christians to openly bash/disagree with the Catholic Church? Is it seeking approval from Orthodox Christians?

Based on how other threads concerning homosexuality just turn into long diatribes, what were you hoping to accomplish in posting this here? I ask as I really don't see how this benefits us in our walk with Christ.

Please, enlighten me Robb.

It looks to me like the two previous posters answered your question, sadly though in a most predictable manner.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2011, 08:32:47 PM »

I find it ironic how, as the bishops of New York are fighting gay marriage vigourously there, the Archdiocese of Boston would decide to permit this sort of thing.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2011, 08:47:07 PM »

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/boston-archdiocese-allows-rescheduled-gay-pride-mass


Boston archdiocese allows rescheduled ‘gay pride’ Mass
by Kathleen Gilbert
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BOSTON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A ‘gay-friendly’ parish in Boston is celebrating a victory after leaders in the parish said the archdiocese of Boston had given permission to reschedule a Mass intended to celebrate Boston’s gay pride month for a less controversial date.

The Mass, with the theme “All Are Welcome,” has been rescheduled for July 10 after the archbishop’s office rejected an earlier date that diocesan officials said implied too much cooperation with the city’s gay pride celebrations...


Thank you for the post. I am sure some of our clergy will join this mass.

Dart, Brother/Sister, please don't speak about our clergy this way. They are doing the work of God. Those who are not have enough judgement coming for them after death.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2011, 08:56:48 PM »

I work near St. Cecilia’s, so when I saw a sign in their window saying they are part of the Rainbow Ministry I had to find out more about it.  And I did and I found out about the canceled Mass.  I'm surprised the Archdiocese gave in and is allowing the Mass to be celebrated...very surprised.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2011, 08:58:52 PM »

What is your motivation for posting this on an Orthodox site? Is it to invite Orthodox Christians to openly bash/disagree with the Catholic Church? Is it seeking approval from Orthodox Christians?

Based on how other threads concerning homosexuality just turn into long diatribes, what were you hoping to accomplish in posting this here? I ask as I really don't see how this benefits us in our walk with Christ.

Please, enlighten me Robb.

It looks to me like the two previous posters answered your question, sadly though in a most predictable manner.

Well I was going to create a Venn Diagram at work tomorrow to express the relationship among Bostonians, "Irish", Roman Catholics, Parade Lovers, and Gays.

Guess I'll skip it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2011, 09:01:27 PM »

I find it ironic how, as the bishops of New York are fighting gay marriage vigourously there, the Archdiocese of Boston would decide to permit this sort of thing.

What I don't find ironic is that you use ironic incorrectly and then in the post immediately after yours proper use of irony is misunderstood.
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2011, 11:13:22 PM »

Given that the following is a definition of irony "incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity" I fail to see how I used "ironic" improperly.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2011, 11:32:12 PM »

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/boston-archdiocese-allows-rescheduled-gay-pride-mass


Boston archdiocese allows rescheduled ‘gay pride’ Mass
by Kathleen Gilbert
Mon Jun 20, 2011 15:12 EST
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Tags: boston, gay pride, sean o'malley

BOSTON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A ‘gay-friendly’ parish in Boston is celebrating a victory after leaders in the parish said the archdiocese of Boston had given permission to reschedule a Mass intended to celebrate Boston’s gay pride month for a less controversial date.

The Mass, with the theme “All Are Welcome,” has been rescheduled for July 10 after the archbishop’s office rejected an earlier date that diocesan officials said implied too much cooperation with the city’s gay pride celebrations...


What percentage of Catholic priests and bishops would you say are homosexual anyway? I know that one of them was active in the N*MB**, North American M* B* L* Association and as well was in charge of a hotel in Southern California that catered to homosexuals. And he got a sterling letter of recommendation from Cardinal Law. I guess it is not as bad in the RCC as it is in the Episcopal Church, but it is still a problem.
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please bear in mind that using the name of that organization or it's well known acronym can cause this site to be blocked by filters in some schools and public libraries.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2011, 11:40:37 PM »

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/boston-archdiocese-allows-rescheduled-gay-pride-mass


Boston archdiocese allows rescheduled ‘gay pride’ Mass
by Kathleen Gilbert
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Tags: boston, gay pride, sean o'malley

BOSTON, June 20, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A ‘gay-friendly’ parish in Boston is celebrating a victory after leaders in the parish said the archdiocese of Boston had given permission to reschedule a Mass intended to celebrate Boston’s gay pride month for a less controversial date.

The Mass, with the theme “All Are Welcome,” has been rescheduled for July 10 after the archbishop’s office rejected an earlier date that diocesan officials said implied too much cooperation with the city’s gay pride celebrations...


Thank you for the post. I am sure some of our clergy will join this mass.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2011, 11:43:24 PM »

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Thanks for that info. I edited it accordingly, so it should be OK now? What do you think?  But when a Catholic priests endorses a society that advocates what this association was advocating, and considering the fact that even public libraries have to filter out a whole site because of the use of that acronym, then it is obviously a problem. And as long as there are a lot of homosexuals in the RC priesthood, this problem is going to be around.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2011, 12:08:50 PM »

Thanks for that info. I edited it accordingly, so it should be OK now? What do you think?  But when a Catholic priests endorses a society that advocates what this association was advocating, and considering the fact that even public libraries have to filter out a whole site because of the use of that acronym, then it is obviously a problem. And as long as there are a lot of homosexuals in the RC priesthood, this problem is going to be around.

How many times must the argument be made that same sex attraction ≠ pedophilia?  Roll Eyes

Just because a person is gay (or straight) does not mean they want to harm children. The mental defect that causes a person to molest and abuse a child has nothing to do with what gender they are attracted to.

Also, since you are going to forbid homosexual celibate men from becoming priests (or remove them from the priesthood), are you also going to remove or forbid those who have a family history of alcoholism or drug addiction? I'm not talking about actual alcoholics or drug addicts (you know, those practicing the sin), I'm just talking about those with a family history who could potentially become alcoholics or drug addicts. I mean, since we're trying to eliminate one type of sin, why stop there? I mean, who wants priests peddling drugs to kids? Right? [/sarcasm]

THIS is why I questioned Robb's intent in posting this thread. Because it seems every thread on homosexuality on this board devolves into "Homosexuals = Pedophiles" when that simply isn't true.  Angry

Doesn't anyone else think it ironic that we believe a heterosexual male can love God enough to suppress his sexual desire for a woman and become a monk or Hiermonk, but they find it difficult to believe that a homosexual male would be unable to do the same? Why is it we feel comfortable leaving our daughters, sisters, and wives alone with a heterosexual Hiermonk, but think it dangerous to leave our sons, brothers, and husbands, alone with a homosexual Catholic priest?

Let us not forget that even within the Orthodox faith both male and female children and adults have been abused by gay and straight clergy (some who were married.) The only difference is that it did not receive the publicity that the Catholic scandals have.

The potential for sin reaches all; regardless of sexual orientation, gender, class, job title, color, or creed.

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Thanks for that info. I edited it accordingly, so it should be OK now? What do you think?  But when a Catholic priests endorses a society that advocates what this association was advocating, and considering the fact that even public libraries have to filter out a whole site because of the use of that acronym, then it is obviously a problem. And as long as there are a lot of homosexuals in the RC priesthood, this problem is going to be around.

How many times must the argument be made that same sex attraction ≠ pedophilia?  Roll Eyes

Just because a person is gay (or straight) does not mean they want to harm children. The mental defect that causes a person to molest and abuse a child has nothing to do with what gender they are attracted to.

Also, since you are going to forbid homosexual celibate men from becoming priests (or remove them from the priesthood), are you also going to remove or forbid those who have a family history of alcoholism or drug addiction? I'm not talking about actual alcoholics or drug addicts (you know, those practicing the sin), I'm just talking about those with a family history who could potentially become alcoholics or drug addicts. I mean, since we're trying to eliminate one type of sin, why stop there? I mean, who wants priests peddling drugs to kids? Right? [/sarcasm]

THIS is why I questioned Robb's intent in posting this thread. Because it seems every thread on homosexuality on this board devolves into "Homosexuals = Pedophiles" when that simply isn't true.  Angry

Doesn't anyone else think it ironic that we believe a heterosexual male can love God enough to suppress his sexual desire for a woman and become a monk or Hiermonk, but they find it difficult to believe that a homosexual male would be unable to do the same? Why is it we feel comfortable leaving our daughters, sisters, and wives alone with a heterosexual Hiermonk, but think it dangerous to leave our sons, brothers, and husbands, alone with a homosexual Catholic priest?

Let us not forget that even within the Orthodox faith both male and female children and adults have been abused by gay and straight clergy (some who were married.) The only difference is that it did not receive the publicity that the Catholic scandals have.

The potential for sin reaches all; regardless of sexual orientation, gender, class, job title, color, or creed.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
The Gospel of St. Matthew, 7:1-5
Curiously, 60 years ago US psychological groups considered homosexuality to stem from mental defect. Will you have the same opinion when people are advocating Pedophile's rights down the road? Why or why not? I'm not equating the two, please do not mistake. I'm merely pointing out the shift in society's views.

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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2011, 02:33:21 PM »

Curiously, 60 years ago US psychological groups considered homosexuality to stem from mental defect. Will you have the same opinion when people are advocating Pedophile's rights down the road? Why or why not? I'm not equating the two, please do not mistake. I'm merely pointing out the shift in society's views.

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One hundred fifty years ago, American preachers also preached that slavery was also acceptable and taught in the Bible. Once slavery was abolished, it was taught that interracial marriages were wrong, and that people of color were inferior to white people. Just because something was once taught or acceptable doesn't make it right.

I am not advocating that having sex with a person of the same gender is not a sin; what I am saying is that same sex attraction does not mean that someone is a pedophile.

The significant difference between the two is the same difference as a heterosexual adult couple having sex, and an adult  having sex with a child. When two consenting adults have sex, the relationship is mutual, and it is not a form of abuse. When an adult manipulates a child into having sex, it is psychologically detrimental, and is abuse. (For that matter, any time anyone is manipulated into having sex, it is abuse.) Even though members of the aforementioned group (I'm not going to go through the trouble of spelling out the acronym) claim that the sex is consensual, a child does not have the emotional maturity to understand the ramifications of sex as an adult does.

Furthermore, there is no evidence the proves that because someone is homosexual they will seek out and rape people. There is, however, evidence that shows the rate of recidivism with pedophiles is extremely high, and one need not be a homosexual to be a pedophile.

I ask once again, why do we believe that a heterosexual man can suppress his sexual desires for a woman, remain celibate, and have a successful ministry serving the Lord as a monk or hiermonk, but we don't believe a homosexual man can do the same?
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Thanks for that info. I edited it accordingly, so it should be OK now? What do you think?  But when a Catholic priests endorses a society that advocates what this association was advocating, and considering the fact that even public libraries have to filter out a whole site because of the use of that acronym, then it is obviously a problem. And as long as there are a lot of homosexuals in the RC priesthood, this problem is going to be around.

How many times must the argument be made that same sex attraction ≠ pedophilia?  Roll Eyes

Just because a person is gay (or straight) does not mean they want to harm children. The mental defect that causes a person to molest and abuse a child has nothing to do with what gender they are attracted to.

Also, since you are going to forbid homosexual celibate men from becoming priests (or remove them from the priesthood), are you also going to remove or forbid those who have a family history of alcoholism or drug addiction? I'm not talking about actual alcoholics or drug addicts (you know, those practicing the sin), I'm just talking about those with a family history who could potentially become alcoholics or drug addicts. I mean, since we're trying to eliminate one type of sin, why stop there? I mean, who wants priests peddling drugs to kids? Right? [/sarcasm]

THIS is why I questioned Robb's intent in posting this thread. Because it seems every thread on homosexuality on this board devolves into "Homosexuals = Pedophiles" when that simply isn't true.  Angry

Doesn't anyone else think it ironic that we believe a heterosexual male can love God enough to suppress his sexual desire for a woman and become a monk or Hiermonk, but they find it difficult to believe that a homosexual male would be unable to do the same? Why is it we feel comfortable leaving our daughters, sisters, and wives alone with a heterosexual Hiermonk, but think it dangerous to leave our sons, brothers, and husbands, alone with a homosexual Catholic priest?

Let us not forget that even within the Orthodox faith both male and female children and adults have been abused by gay and straight clergy (some who were married.) The only difference is that it did not receive the publicity that the Catholic scandals have.

The potential for sin reaches all; regardless of sexual orientation, gender, class, job title, color, or creed.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
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Except for your improper use of gender and irony, I am with you word for word //:=).

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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2011, 02:54:12 PM »

Curiously, 60 years ago US psychological groups considered homosexuality to stem from mental defect. Will you have the same opinion when people are advocating Pedophile's rights down the road? Why or why not? I'm not equating the two, please do not mistake. I'm merely pointing out the shift in society's views.

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One hundred fifty years ago, American preachers also preached that slavery was also acceptable and taught in the Bible. Once slavery was abolished, it was taught that interracial marriages were wrong, and that people of color were inferior to white people. Just because something was once taught or acceptable doesn't make it right.

I am not advocating that having sex with a person of the same gender is not a sin; what I am saying is that same sex attraction does not mean that someone is a pedophile.

The significant difference between the two is the same difference as a heterosexual adult couple having sex, and an adult  having sex with a child. When two consenting adults have sex, the relationship is mutual, and it is not a form of abuse. When an adult manipulates a child into having sex, it is psychologically detrimental, and is abuse. (For that matter, any time anyone is manipulated into having sex, it is abuse.) Even though members of the aforementioned group (I'm not going to go through the trouble of spelling out the acronym) claim that the sex is consensual, a child does not have the emotional maturity to understand the ramifications of sex as an adult does.

Furthermore, there is no evidence the proves that because someone is homosexual they will seek out and rape people. There is, however, evidence that shows the rate of recidivism with pedophiles is extremely high, and one need not be a homosexual to be a pedophile.

I ask once again, why do we believe that a heterosexual man can suppress his sexual desires for a woman, remain celibate, and have a successful ministry serving the Lord as a monk or hiermonk, but we don't believe a homosexual man can do the same?
Who said we don't?  Huh Hieromonk Seraphim of Platina was one such, as I'm sure there have been others. They just don't feel the need to advertise about it, which is something the Church shouldn't do. She doesn't celebrate vice, which is why no Orthodox Christian should support any "gay pride" anything, just like we wouldn't support "swinger pride" or "fornicator pride." I don't see it to be so complicated.

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She doesn't celebrate vice, which is why no Orthodox Christian should support any "gay pride" anything, just like we wouldn't support "swinger pride" or "fornicator pride." I don't see it to be so complicated.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2011, 10:26:07 AM »

Okay, this is my Archdiocese, and I am a regular at the shrine literally 2 blocks from St. Cecilia's.

First off, here is Cardinal Sean's statement:

The philosophical and political agenda of Gay Pride in relation to marriage and sexual morality is incompatible with the Church's teachings. For that reason, Father Unni rescheduled a Mass of welcome for all his parishioners to a time that would not associate the Mass with the Gay Pride agenda.

I realize that Catholics who have same-sex attractions are often criticized by their friends for coming to Mass and that the parents and friends of homosexual members of our Church are distressed that their loved ones feel rejected by their Church. We want all baptized Catholics to come to Mass and be part of our community, but we cannot compromise the teaching of the Church rooted in Scripture and tradition.

We hope that all Catholics will come to experience the love of Christ in our community and that in that love they will find the courage and strength to embrace the cross that is part of the life of discipleship.

It is regrettable that there has been so much confusion about this matter. I hope the statement on my blog [http://www.cardinalseansblog.org/2011/06/17/] of last week and The Pilot editorial "A teachable moment" [http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.asp?ID=13449] will help people to understand the Church's teaching. We must be a community that reflects both the love and the truth of the Gospel.


Seán P. Cardinal O'Malley, OFM Cap.

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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2011, 10:35:56 AM »

Okay, now my reaction. Now, I love my archbishop, he is my shepherd, and I have met him on a few occasions and believe that he is a sincere pastor. And I have no doubt that he is solidly orthodox in his faith.

However, as a bishop, as one of his priests has told me, he is "too big-picture."

And as we also saw with the Sen. Kennedy funeral controversy, he is a bit lacking in the spine department at times.

God knows he has a very hard job, but I assume that His Eminence also knew that when he accepted this assignment.

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