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« on: June 16, 2011, 05:17:02 AM »

"In 2002, seven women were secretly ordained as priests by two Roman Catholic bishops in Germany. After their ordination, a kind of domino effect ensued..."


http://www.npr.org/2011/06/12/137102746/women-priests-defy-the-church-at-the-altar?ps=cprs
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2011, 08:09:23 AM »

^ Void ab initio as they say in Latin. Also, these folks can not be considered Roman Catholics anymore regardless of what they call themselves. At least the Protestant reformers of the past recognized that reality when they took issue with Rome. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2011, 08:18:27 AM »

I don't understand who is doing the subsequent ordinations. Even if the initial seven women were ordained as Priests, how could they in turn ordain others without being Bishops?
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2011, 09:12:09 AM »

I don't understand who is doing the subsequent ordinations. Even if the initial seven women were ordained as Priests, how could they in turn ordain others without being Bishops?

These women were later "ordained" bishops:  http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/ordained.htm
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2011, 09:13:19 AM »

Wrong wrong wrong!





















This thread should be titled, "WomYnpriests."  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2011, 09:17:36 AM »

These peeps?

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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2011, 09:24:01 AM »

My former spiritual father called them "priestettes"   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2011, 09:31:45 AM »

When I was a child, my friends and I would play church too.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2011, 09:52:15 AM »


Boze moi!
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2011, 09:57:27 AM »


Gott in Himmel!

I do notice that there's not a person under 50 in that group. 
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2011, 10:00:42 AM »

Hahah, yes, the whole thing had the smell of boomerism about it.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2011, 10:07:11 AM »

Hahah, yes, the whole thing had the smell of boomerism about it.

It's funny, I was at a public meeting regarding natural gas 'fracking' (hydraulic fracturing of shale, a hot political issue in the NE USA these days...) the other night with my wife and I noticed that most of the opponents apparently had also attended the first Woodstock festival in 1969 and were still mourning the passing of Jerry Garcia.......
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 01:53:07 PM »

^ Void ab initio as they say in Latin. Also, these folks can not be considered Roman Catholics anymore regardless of what they call themselves. At least the Protestant reformers of the past recognized that reality when they took issue with Rome. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 02:09:41 PM »

When I was a child, my friends and I would play church too.

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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 02:17:11 PM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2011, 02:30:20 PM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.

According to RC Canon Law excommunication is automatic for anyone involved in such things. No official pronouncement necessary.
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2011, 02:46:02 PM »

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^ Void ab initio as they say in Latin. Also, these folks can not be considered Roman Catholics anymore regardless of what they call themselves. At least the Protestant reformers of the past recognized that reality when they took issue with Rome.  
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If that were true, there would be no such thing as an excommunicated Catholic.  Goes for the Ultramontanists too, perhaps more so.
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2011, 03:22:22 PM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.

According to RC Canon Law excommunication is automatic for anyone involved in such things. No official pronouncement necessary.

This is true.  No longer is there aneed for a special announcement or ceremony proclaiming someone excommunicated.  By their very act of disobedience they have cut themselves (excommunicated) from the church.
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2011, 03:24:34 PM »

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^ Void ab initio as they say in Latin. Also, these folks can not be considered Roman Catholics anymore regardless of what they call themselves. At least the Protestant reformers of the past recognized that reality when they took issue with Rome.  
Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.
If that were true, there would be no such thing as an excommunicated Catholic.  Goes for the Ultramontanists too, perhaps more so.
Excommunication is not the same as no longer being Catholic.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2011, 04:10:39 PM »

This makes me so glad I'm Orthodox. 

I think it's absolutly rediculous that they aren't called "deaconesses" and "priestesses" like in Anglicanism.  This reminds me of women leading neo-pagan covens. 



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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2011, 04:33:47 PM »

This makes me so glad I'm Orthodox. 

I think it's absolutly rediculous that they aren't called "deaconesses" and "priestesses" like in Anglicanism.  This reminds me of women leading neo-pagan covens. 




There's nothing sacramentally Christian in the Neo-Pagan rites, so, ironically, the Neo-Pagan priestesses are much less objectionable, theologically, than the "Catholic" priestesses.
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2011, 05:05:19 PM »

The Spirit is descended!
^ Void ab initio as they say in Latin. Also, these folks can not be considered Roman Catholics anymore regardless of what they call themselves. At least the Protestant reformers of the past recognized that reality when they took issue with Rome.  
Once a Catholic, always a Catholic.
If that were true, there would be no such thing as an excommunicated Catholic.  Goes for the Ultramontanists too, perhaps more so.
Excommunication is not the same as no longer being Catholic.
Yeah, it is.  Catholic is "according to the whole." If you are no longer part of the whole, you are no longer Catholic.
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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2011, 07:23:30 PM »

The Spirit is descended!
^ Void ab initio as they say in Latin. Also, these folks can not be considered Roman Catholics anymore regardless of what they call themselves. At least the Protestant reformers of the past recognized that reality when they took issue with Rome.  
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If that were true, there would be no such thing as an excommunicated Catholic.  Goes for the Ultramontanists too, perhaps more so.
Excommunication has never severed one from the Church, in either the East or the West, and I've not heard of the Catholic Church pronouncing anathema in quite some time.
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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2011, 08:26:45 PM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.

http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/ordained.htm

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Roman Catholic Womenpriests reject the penalty of excommunication issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on May 29, 2008 stating that the women priests and the bishops who ordain them would be excommunicated latae sententiae.”
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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2011, 08:40:00 PM »

This thread should be titled, "WomYnpriests."  Wink

You being a German speaker might be schocked at the nonsense that gets pulled in this manner in German.

This is a good start but ain't "super cutting edge", as it is wikipedia:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschlechtergerechte_Sprache

My favorite form being:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binnen-I
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2011, 09:47:17 PM »

This thread should be titled, "WomYnpriests."  Wink

You being a German speaker might be schocked at the nonsense that gets pulled in this manner in German.

This is a good start but ain't "super cutting edge", as it is wikipedia:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschlechtergerechte_Sprache

My favorite form being:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binnen-I

Reading through the second article, this brought me to tears:

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Gender Gap als Alternative [Bearbeiten]
Die Queer-Theorie kritisiert grundsätzlich die Postulierung bzw. Bestätigung der absoluten Zweigeschlechtlichkeit durch das Binnen-I. Als Ausweg wird der Gender Gap („Schüler_innen“), gesehen, welcher aber auch mit dem Binnen-I verbunden werden kann („Schüler_Innen“).

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binnen-I#Gender_Gap_als_Alternative
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2011, 12:59:37 AM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.

http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/ordained.htm

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Roman Catholic Womenpriests reject the penalty of excommunication issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on May 29, 2008 stating that the women priests and the bishops who ordain them would be excommunicated latae sententiae.”

That's pretty funny. Rejecting excommunication.

That's on par with "rejecting" being fired. Just show up the next day anyway I suppose?
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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2011, 09:01:56 AM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.

http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/ordained.htm

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Roman Catholic Womenpriests reject the penalty of excommunication issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on May 29, 2008 stating that the women priests and the bishops who ordain them would be excommunicated latae sententiae.”

That's pretty funny. Rejecting excommunication.

That's on par with "rejecting" being fired. Just show up the next day anyway I suppose?

You made me recall a Seinfeld episode where George was fired but decided to pretend it didn't happen and he showed up for 'work' the next Monday. Didn't work out too well for him! Same with these folks!
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2011, 01:53:34 PM »

I know these people exist, but the attention given them is disproportionate to their actual numbers, and anyway alleged "Old Catholic" sects have been doing this for years. These ladies have only taken it one step further by claiming that they are still in communion with Rome regardless of what Rome says.
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2011, 02:00:17 PM »

Interesting note at the bottom, stating that Church hasn't excommunicated these wannabe priestesses.

http://romancatholicwomenpriests.org/ordained.htm

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Roman Catholic Womenpriests reject the penalty of excommunication issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on May 29, 2008 stating that the women priests and the bishops who ordain them would be excommunicated latae sententiae.”

That's pretty funny. Rejecting excommunication.

That's on par with "rejecting" being fired. Just show up the next day anyway I suppose?

You made me recall a Seinfeld episode where George was fired but decided to pretend it didn't happen and he showed up for 'work' the next Monday. Didn't work out too well for him! Same with these folks!

Somebody should have told Nestorius; he could have done that.  Smiley
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