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« on: June 15, 2011, 07:44:31 PM »

The was on his Face Book page today:

Recently, Fr. Corapi held an internal office meeting and informed us that he is "not extinguished!" He expressed his continued desire to help deliver a message of hope to those who seek it and he informed us that by this weekend he will have a "very inportant announcement" that he plans on delivering on YouTube, Facebook, and through email.
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 08:31:57 PM »

The Spirit is descended!
The was on his Face Book page today:

Recently, Fr. Corapi held an internal office meeting and informed us that he is "not extinguished!" He expressed his continued desire to help deliver a message of hope to those who seek it and he informed us that by this weekend he will have a "very inportant announcement" that he plans on delivering on YouTube, Facebook, and through email.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2011, 04:43:11 PM »

"...All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter...."
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2011, 05:36:09 PM »

"...All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter...."
Does his explanation seem a bit long-winded?
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2011, 05:56:44 PM »

The whole thing is bizarre, and I don't know what to think of it. He has my prayers, and I hope he finds some place to exercise his priesthood in some way. I enjoy his preaching, and I hope those videos remain available. To think that our "rock star" priests are perfect is to be a clericalist. I pray he and his soul find peace.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2011, 05:57:43 PM »

The Spirit is descended!
"...All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter...."
Does his explanation seem a bit long-winded?
Given the situation, and if it is truthful, no.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2011, 08:33:11 PM »

Weird....Fishy............disappointing

Here is his entire statement on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TfhGjfHWBM
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2011, 09:28:59 PM »

Maybe we will never know everything. I pray he finds direction in his new life.  Undecided
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« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2011, 08:59:05 PM »



I'll continue to pray for Fr Corapi and his eventual vindication.  He was a good and trusted priest who deserves as much justice as he can get in this terrible situation.
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2011, 09:02:47 PM »

I really wouldn't expect any explanation from this man. 
1) I don't know him
2) it is none of my business
Didn't Jesus say not to judge?  I gather that would include talking or wondering what Father Corapi did/didn't do/will have been doing.  I mean all we can do is pray for the man that he finds peace.
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2011, 12:46:09 AM »

Please see the article linked below and written by a retired Roman Catholic Bishop.

I think this article shed some light on the subject.

Father Corapi appears to be doing the right thing in view of the fact that Roman Catholic Bishops must indefinitely suspend all priests accused (not convicted) of sexual abuse.

Let us pray for this priest. Perhaps if he does sue the woman who is accusing him (probably his ex-employee whom he terminated), then this situation can be resolved. See the following well written article:

http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2011, 02:08:39 AM »

Thanks for the link. I would also suggest looking at this one, which hints at what Corapi may be going through.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2011, 08:33:28 PM »

Thanks for the link. I would also suggest looking at this one, which hints at what Corapi may be going through.

Yes, I saw that piece.

Interesting.

It looks like Corapi is not going to take this without a fight.
And the only way to fight this possible bogus charge is to remove the title of Father from his name.
Otherwise, he could remain indefinitely suspended for many years.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2011, 08:52:19 PM »

Breaking News

NEW UPDATE - unleashed

http://theblacksheepdog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/unleashed_ep106-20-11.mp3

Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract

And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.

So, by resigning from the active ministry, Corapi is able to delve into broader topics and engage an international audience. Win-Win
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2011, 09:15:46 PM »

More Breaking News:

June 19, 2011 news from a Retired Roman Catholic Bishop:


http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/

June 20, 2011: SOLT NEWS regarding Corapi:

http://soltnews.blogspot.com/2011/06/official-solt-statement-on-behalf-of-fr.html

Bad press blogs against Corapi

(1) This video might go viral among Catholics; http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2011/06/major-announcement-we-are-gods.html

(2) Aggie Catholic blog: http://marysaggies.blogspot.com/2011/06/i-will-not-defend-fr-corapi-i-will.html

(3) The Anchoress/Elizabeth Scalia: http://www.patheos.com/community/theanchoress/2011/06/20/ewtns-statement-on-corapi/

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« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2011, 03:14:06 AM »

Breaking News

NEW UPDATE - unleashed

http://theblacksheepdog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/unleashed_ep106-20-11.mp3

Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract

And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.

So, by resigning from the active ministry, Corapi is able to delve into broader topics and engage an international audience. Win-Win
he says here on the link you have provided that he is not using cocaine and is willing to take a drug test. But the wikipedia article has some unflattering things to say about his cocaine addiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Corapi
and he talked about his use of cocaine on a previous video (about 8 min from 0):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ2IPdn9D4

And he says that he was in a psychiatric hosptial for one year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM7NCvtkwq0&feature=related
Does this seem like a man with problems?
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2011, 07:06:35 AM »

It seems like a man who HAD problems, before he found God.
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 07:39:34 AM »

Some are pointing to John "Don't-Call-Me-Father" Corapi's new website, TheBlackSheepDog, as somehow being demonic-looking, because of the images.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 10:21:06 AM »

Some are pointing to John "Don't-Call-Me-Father" Corapi's new website, TheBlackSheepDog, as somehow being demonic-looking, because of the images.

That occurred to me too. The pix are creepy. What could he be thinking?
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 10:22:14 AM »

It IS creepy, and I don't say that very lightly.
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 10:27:18 AM »

It IS creepy, and I don't say that very lightly.

Love Fr. Corapi but he may be the kind of guy who needs a wife ( much like me).

"Dear, do you really want to post that picture, it's kind of creepy"

Or

"Dear, I dont think you look good with your hair shaved all the way down. I think you were much more handsome before"

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"Come on over here ya big lug and let's have a hug"


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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2011, 12:32:42 PM »

I had a similar response to the images that he put up. Perhaps some one in his organziation will point out the "creepiness".
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2011, 04:14:02 PM »

Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract
Well, that's what Corapi is saying. The other story floating around is that this woman is being suit for breach of a non-disclosure agreement, not libel.
Honestly, why would an employee of Santa Cruz media have a blanket non-disclosure agreement? There are times when certain information about business matters can not be disclosed, but this; a serious indiscretion that is a sin against his priestly vows?

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And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.
So, far only Corapi is making that statement. The official statement made by Corapi's religious order seems to have a bit of a different take.
http://soltnews.blogspot.com/2011/06/official-solt-statement-on-behalf-of-fr.html


I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.



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Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract
Well, that's what Corapi is saying. The other story floating around is that this woman is being suit for breach of a non-disclosure agreement, not libel.
Honestly, why would an employee of Santa Cruz media have a blanket non-disclosure agreement? There are times when certain information about business matters can not be disclosed, but this; a serious indiscretion that is a sin against his priestly vows?

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And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.
So, far only Corapi is making that statement. The official statement made by Corapi's religious order seems to have a bit of a different take.
http://soltnews.blogspot.com/2011/06/official-solt-statement-on-behalf-of-fr.html


I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.





Go back to his blog.  The Founder of his religious order and a retired bishop are counseling him to carry forward as he is doing since the diocese is doing nothing at all.

Also he has not said that he does not know who his accuser is.  He does not know FROM the diocesan bishop who removed his faculties.

There are several canonical issues with SOLT that make it impossible for Father Corapi to appeal above the diocesan level for redress.  He can sit and wait till hell freezes over or he can accept the suspension, on his own terms and deal with his accuser in civil court, where he can at least get some kind of hearing.

Whether any other bishop in the United States has the courage to restore faculties to Father John is yet to be seen. 

In any event, there are a whole boatload of knee-jerks out there writing about things they know nothing about and presuming to beat the band.

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He's lost all credibility, in my view.
It's much too soon for staking such a position, imho.
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He's lost all credibility, in my view.
It's much too soon for staking such a position, imho.
Agreed. Before one can draw such conclusion, I think one needs to know much more about what really happened, and what is currently happening behind the scenes. I think the fact that we rarely are privy to such information, whether the situation be in the spotlight or not, is one of the main reasons that Jesus warned us against judging.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2011, 07:02:43 PM »

Smearing one's accuser by threatening to release private voice mails is not my idea of a priest who is walking the via dolorosa.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2011, 07:22:23 PM »

Smearing one's accuser by threatening to release private voice mails is not my idea of a priest who is walking the via dolorosa.
That has many people confused and saddened in the combox on his site. I did not think that the logo picture thing was too out of the ordinary for Corapi's personality and don't find it to be problematic beyond egotism (he's the sheepdog protecting Christianity). The threat and "fanbase" quip does tend to bring his credibility into question.

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I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.

Is the accuser anonymous or not?
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 10:11:50 AM »

I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.

Is the accuser anonymous or not?

Her name has not been released to the public as far as I know but Father C. and the Bishops know who she is.
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »

My wife and kids used to moan and groan when I would watch Father Corapi on Sunday nights ( and later on Sat. too).

But as my wife got sicker she became increasingly psychotic and started to watch with me. I guess it's kind of Funny/Sick that the more psychotic she became the more he made sense to her. However, he was her only shot at planting some bit of faith in her heart.

On the other hand, she may well have had a demon around her. Father Corapi would be a good choice to scare such a thing off. That may be why she was attracted late on.

So...he did good by us.

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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2011, 04:45:16 PM »

Update:  John Corapi has resigned as a priest.

Quote from: John Corapi
I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer... the process used is inherently and fatally flawed... my canon lawyer and my civil lawyers have concluded that I cannot receive a fair and just hearing under the church's present process... the identity of the accuser is not revealed... nor or the exact allegations made known to you... you are for all practical purposes assumed guilty unless you can prove you are innocent...
http://youtu.be/9TfhGjfHWBM
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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2011, 09:10:15 PM »

Here is the statement Fr. Corapi released yesterday:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgziudFe_VM&feature=related

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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2011, 09:15:53 PM »

This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?
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« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2011, 09:19:28 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2011, 12:33:51 AM »

This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

It sounds to me as if he's doing a bad impersonation of himself.  Granted, I haven't heard much of his recent stuff. 

I found his response and statement somewhat odd.  I hope the situation turns out okay (bland enough?).   
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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2011, 02:51:02 AM »

This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Going through bad experiences can change people.  He may be unnerved due to all these events and lacks the self confident tone that he once had.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2011, 09:06:47 AM »

This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Going through bad experiences can change people.  He may be unnerved due to all these events and lacks the self confident tone that he once had.

Father Corapi exhorts when he teaches and preaches.  He calls people to confidence in the faith.  That persona is not going to be there when he is not in "teacher" mode.
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« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2011, 09:17:21 AM »

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Yes, when I read his new site.  Undecided Lord help him.
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« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2011, 09:35:00 AM »

This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Yes, when I read his new site.  Undecided Lord help him.

Do you have any idea how many good priests just disappear in this Church?  Father Corapi is doing precisely the correct thing, not only for himself but for many other very good priests in the Roman rite in this country, the USA.  He's doing what an emeritus bishop and the founder of his religious association are advising him to do.

Don't pay attention to those Catholics posting on that blog.  Most of them haven't a clue about the power of their bishops.  Nor do they understand the way religious life is organized.

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« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2011, 10:40:04 AM »

Elijahmaria said:

"Most of them haven't a clue about the power of their bishops.  Nor do they understand the way religious life is organized."

Can you clarify this?  Especially the part about the power of their bishops.
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« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2011, 10:44:42 AM »

I hope the accusations against Fr. Corapi are unfounded and if they are it raises an important issue.  Victims have a right to speak out against abuse but the accused should also have protection as well.  Look what's happened recently; many Catholic priests accused earlier in this decade have been found innocent.  This has happened because the accusers themselves have come out and said it did not happen.  Mostly because all of these "repressed memories" is a controversial issue that the American Psychiatric Association was calling into question years ago.  Our courts let it in like it was forensic evidence!

There needs to be protection for all people so that when false accusations are made (this may or may not be the case here), both sides are protected so the truth can be known.
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« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2011, 11:02:01 AM »

Elijahmaria said:

"Most of them haven't a clue about the power of their bishops.  Nor do they understand the way religious life is organized."

Can you clarify this?  Especially the part about the power of their bishops.

A bishop has the canonical power to place himself above the law.  In other words, a priest may be placed on leave by a bishop and allowed to remain in that no-man's land indefinitely.  In fact it does happen for all manner of cases where a bishop wants to get rid of an annoying priest, but has no real canonical charge that would get rid of him definitively.   Yes.  There is a right to due process and indefinite suspension should be used rarely and only after all due process has been exhausted and there is still no resolution to the case.  However that is not how bishops generally exercise this power to simply withdraw faculties.  It is extremely rare, so as to be non-existent, where another synodal bishop contradicts the acts of a brother bishop, so there is no recourse for most priests who have been wrongly removed.

Also the zero tolerance policy established for the sexual abuse of children and youth does not apply to accusations by adult men or women, however, that is the policy that has been exercised against Father Corapi.

There's loads more to it and if you had the patience to read through ALL of those awful emails on the Corapi site you'd find some excellent essays on the canonical situation with the bishop and his religious organization.  It's not really an order with a superior, but an association which answers to a local bishop.

In fact SOLT has been looking for a more friendly location since it is well known in the diocese of Corpus Christi that the current bishop is not at all fond of the group and has caused them troubles in the past.  Father Corapi just happens to present yet another excuse to move against the association.  Also most people do not realize that Father Corapi lived out the erimetic life in SOLT and you cannot treat his vocation in SOLT as you would a monk whose vocation is to a place and specific community as with the Benedictines, for example.

So much of the ranting and raving on that site is just plain ignorance and prelest on the part of those who judge in abject ignorance, refusing to hear anything that does not fit their own "imaginings".

It's disgusting to me.  I've known too many good priests who have been shoved off to no man's land, I suppose.  It is horrifying when you begin to see the realities of it.

I keep telling Orthodox listeners that it is not the pope one should fear but the power of the bishop, which is, too often, exercised above or outside of the spirit of the law and also the most precise letter of the law though they do have that power...to do what they see fit.   It's like an "escape clause" and they exercise it first rather than last.

When they do not care to follow what Rome has to say they simply close their ears and eyes.  That's how it works in real life.  Eventually justice will catch up...but too often there are many bodies dead on the field before the war is over.
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« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2011, 05:11:30 PM »

I didn't see it above, what is "SOLT?"  Society of (something)?
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« Reply #45 on: June 25, 2011, 06:40:53 PM »

I didn't see it above, what is "SOLT?"  Society of (something)?

SOLT stands for "The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity"...that is the name of the association.  It is a canonical entity that, unlike an order that answers to a Superior, or a house that answers to an Abbott, the society answers to the bishop in the diocese where the society was raised to canonical status.  That is why Father Corapi's obedience is to the local bishop and not the founder of SOLT...although the founder of SOLT is supporting and advising him with the retired bishop of Corpus Christi. 

There is much more to this than meets the eye, but it does highlight what has been happening to priests all over the country for many many generations but the worst of it has been inflicted on priests and pastors since the promulgation of the latest Code of Canons for the western Churches, predominantly the Roman rite. 

However eastern bishops behave in much the same way even though their code is not quite the precise equivalent in all specifics, of the western code.  There is even more wiggle room for them to abuse authority, and sadly they will take it at the slightest provocation. 

Episcopal behavior really does need to be brought to light and brought under legitimate restraint.
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I didn't see it above, what is "SOLT?"  Society of (something)?

SOLT stands for "The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity"...that is the name of the association.  It is a canonical entity that, unlike an order that answers to a Superior, or a house that answers to an Abbott, the society answers to the bishop in the diocese where the society was raised to canonical status.  That is why Father Corapi's obedience is to the local bishop and not the founder of SOLT...although the founder of SOLT is supporting and advising him with the retired bishop of Corpus Christi. 

There is much more to this than meets the eye, but it does highlight what has been happening to priests all over the country for many many generations but the worst of it has been inflicted on priests and pastors since the promulgation of the latest Code of Canons for the western Churches, predominantly the Roman rite. 

However eastern bishops behave in much the same way even though their code is not quite the precise equivalent in all specifics, of the western code.  There is even more wiggle room for them to abuse authority, and sadly they will take it at the slightest provocation. 

Episcopal behavior really does need to be brought to light and brought under legitimate restraint.

Bolding is my emphasis.

And who will be the final authority?  Even synods of bishops have been known to err ... remember the Arian Heresy.

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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2011, 08:54:58 PM »

I didn't see it above, what is "SOLT?"  Society of (something)?

SOLT stands for "The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity"...that is the name of the association.  It is a canonical entity that, unlike an order that answers to a Superior, or a house that answers to an Abbott, the society answers to the bishop in the diocese where the society was raised to canonical status.  That is why Father Corapi's obedience is to the local bishop and not the founder of SOLT...although the founder of SOLT is supporting and advising him with the retired bishop of Corpus Christi. 

There is much more to this than meets the eye, but it does highlight what has been happening to priests all over the country for many many generations but the worst of it has been inflicted on priests and pastors since the promulgation of the latest Code of Canons for the western Churches, predominantly the Roman rite. 

However eastern bishops behave in much the same way even though their code is not quite the precise equivalent in all specifics, of the western code.  There is even more wiggle room for them to abuse authority, and sadly they will take it at the slightest provocation. 

Episcopal behavior really does need to be brought to light and brought under legitimate restraint.

Bolding is my emphasis.

And who will be the final authority?  Even synods of bishops have been known to err ... remember the Arian Heresy.

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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2011, 09:32:11 PM »

And who will be the final authority?  Even synods of bishops have been known to err ... remember the Arian Heresy.
That is an easy question for Roman Catholics.
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2011, 09:33:58 PM »

I didn't see it above, what is "SOLT?"  Society of (something)?

SOLT stands for "The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity"...that is the name of the association.  It is a canonical entity that, unlike an order that answers to a Superior, or a house that answers to an Abbott, the society answers to the bishop in the diocese where the society was raised to canonical status.  That is why Father Corapi's obedience is to the local bishop and not the founder of SOLT...although the founder of SOLT is supporting and advising him with the retired bishop of Corpus Christi. 

There is much more to this than meets the eye, but it does highlight what has been happening to priests all over the country for many many generations but the worst of it has been inflicted on priests and pastors since the promulgation of the latest Code of Canons for the western Churches, predominantly the Roman rite. 

However eastern bishops behave in much the same way even though their code is not quite the precise equivalent in all specifics, of the western code.  There is even more wiggle room for them to abuse authority, and sadly they will take it at the slightest provocation. 

Episcopal behavior really does need to be brought to light and brought under legitimate restraint.

Bolding is my emphasis.

And who will be the final authority?  Even synods of bishops have been known to err ... remember the Arian Heresy.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on us sinner.

However difficult it may be, the bishop is the final authority.  The trick is to inspire bishops to do the right thing.  Sometimes that will not happen and priests are either stuck...or they have the resources to do something else, and do something else.  Father Corapi is doing something else besides fade.
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« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2011, 06:27:36 PM »

I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.
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« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2011, 10:55:13 PM »

I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.

I think so, too.
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I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.
But if a man gets up and says he has been taking cocaine, and what not, then what?
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« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2011, 09:56:49 AM »

I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.
But if a man gets up and says he has been taking cocaine, and what not, then what?

Then it would be totally forgivable. How many Priests have there been in............ oh lets say BOSTON who drank too much?
Several I bet. Neither is a good thing but addiction is something treatable and something we can pray for mercy about without much effort.

The other accusations are more serious.
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I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.
But if a man gets up and says he has been taking cocaine, and what not, then what?

Then it would be totally forgivable. How many Priests have there been in............ oh lets say BOSTON who drank too much?
Several I bet. Neither is a good thing but addiction is something treatable and something we can pray for mercy about without much effort.

The other accusations are more serious.
One involves criminal activity prohibited by law, the other does not.
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« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2011, 05:22:10 PM »

I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.
But if a man gets up and says he has been taking cocaine, and what not, then what?

Then it would be totally forgivable. How many Priests have there been in............ oh lets say BOSTON who drank too much?
Several I bet. Neither is a good thing but addiction is something treatable and something we can pray for mercy about without much effort.

The other accusations are more serious.
One involves criminal activity prohibited by law, the other does not.

One involves substance abuse and addiction with is a treatable and a common occurrence. The other accusation is sexual in nature and has to do with violation of his vows and moral turpitude.

First of all, he has been proven guilty of nothing. But if he had regressed to a substance addiction begun in his former life that is not nearly as bad and having a girlfriend or two which would be a willful and flagrant act of hypocrisy.  
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« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2011, 05:36:22 PM »

I see Fr. Corapi as innocent until proven guilty.
But if a man gets up and says he has been taking cocaine, and what not, then what?

Then it would be totally forgivable. How many Priests have there been in............ oh lets say BOSTON who drank too much?
Several I bet. Neither is a good thing but addiction is something treatable and something we can pray for mercy about without much effort.

The other accusations are more serious.
One involves criminal activity prohibited by law, the other does not.

One involves substance abuse and addiction with is a treatable and common occurrence. The other accusation is sexual in nature and has to do with violation of his vows and moral turpitude.

First of all, he has been proven guilty of nothing. But if he had regressed to a substance addiction begun in his former life that is not nearly as bad and having a girlfriend or two which would be a willful and flagrant act of hypocrisy.  


Amen.  I think you summed it up best.  

I hope he's innocent, but to say falling into a former addiction is equally bad or worse than breaking his vows with one or more women in sexual liaisons is absurd.  The majority of people know someone who had/has a vice to something like this whether it be alcohol or drugs.  It's less a moral failing and more a psychological condition; and by far treatable.  Falling into lust is a moral condition and is not a psychological illness.

I will say that his erratic behavior (from what I perceive to be erratic) would certainly be explained if in fact he has fallen back into addiction.  Fact is, we don't know the story or what happened.  If Fr. Corapi has erred in the way he is accused we should pray that he admits to it in humility and begin to heal; if he hasn't we should pray he is vindicated.  
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« Reply #57 on: June 28, 2011, 02:16:10 AM »

First of all, he has been proven guilty of nothing.
He has a youtube video in which he says he used cocaine and other things. What more proof is needed if a man makes a video for public viewing and says that he is guilty?
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One involves substance abuse and addiction with is a treatable and a common occurrence.
Possession of cocaine is a criminal offense in California according to Health and Safety codes §11000, et seq. §11350, et seq.
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First of all, he has been proven guilty of nothing.
He has a youtube video in which he says he used cocaine and other things. What more proof is needed if a man makes a video for public viewing and says that he is guilty?

I think you have your time-line confused. We all know he abused coke before he came into the Church and became a Priest. The issue is if he started up again recently.
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Father John Corapi has submitted his resignation from the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT), the Register has learned.

Father Gerard Sheehan, regional priest servant of SOLT, said in a press release dated July 5 that the popular priest and speaker has inspired countless thousands of Catholics, “many of whom continue to express their support of him.”

However, Father Sheehan added, “SOLT also recognizes that Father Corapi is now misleading these individuals through his false statements and characterizations. It is for these Catholics that SOLT, by means of this announcement, seeks to set the record straight.”

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I just read it, its a real bombshell...... what more can one say!

Father John Corapi has submitted his resignation from the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT), the Register has learned.

Father Gerard Sheehan, regional priest servant of SOLT, said in a press release dated July 5 that the popular priest and speaker has inspired countless thousands of Catholics, “many of whom continue to express their support of him.”

However, Father Sheehan added, “SOLT also recognizes that Father Corapi is now misleading these individuals through his false statements and characterizations. It is for these Catholics that SOLT, by means of this announcement, seeks to set the record straight.”

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« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2011, 02:11:08 PM »

I just read it, its a real bombshell...... what more can one say!

Father John Corapi has submitted his resignation from the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT), the Register has learned.

Father Gerard Sheehan, regional priest servant of SOLT, said in a press release dated July 5 that the popular priest and speaker has inspired countless thousands of Catholics, “many of whom continue to express their support of him.”

However, Father Sheehan added, “SOLT also recognizes that Father Corapi is now misleading these individuals through his false statements and characterizations. It is for these Catholics that SOLT, by means of this announcement, seeks to set the record straight.”

[The rest of the story.]


Since the case is so public, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask that the evidence be produced or re-produced publicly in some way.
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« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2011, 05:06:43 PM »

I just heard Jim Akin on EWTN speak at length about the statement from SOLT.

I think it is close to Game, Set and Match at this point.

However, after I thought about for awhile and leaned more about the accuser, there may be more that can be said later.
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7 July 2011: Corapi responds to the SOLT statement:

"I am going to answer in a simple, straight forward way what seem to me the main elements of the action taken against me by the Diocese of Corpus Christi and the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity.
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Regarding my personal financial situation—From the earliest days (more than twenty years ago) the Founder of the Society of Our Lady, Fr. James Flanagan, encouraged me to support myself and the Church as well. He said they could not afford to support my ministry and me personally because of the unique nature of the mission. At every step of the way, through the entire past twenty years, the Society of Our Lady’s leadership knew of my financial independence.  As Fr. Flanagan encouraged, I have supported SOLT and myself from ‘day-one.‘  I have never relied on the Society for shelter, clothing, transportation, medical care, or legal counsel and instead, using my history of success in business, set up my mission as any savvy business man would, meanwhile continuing to support the Society and many other Catholic Charities.
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Regarding my resignation—I resigned because the process used by the Church is grossly unjust, and, hence, immoral. I resigned because I had no chance from the beginning of a fair and just hearing.  As I have indicated from the beginning of all this, I am not extinguished!  If I were to commit to the suggestion of the Society, then I would essentially crawl under a rock and wait to die.  However, I can not deny this desire to share aspects of Truth and Hope with all those willing to hear.  This is what I shall continue to fight for!  Many are not going to appreciate this decision, and I respect that.  For those who can accept it, onward!"
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7 July 2011: Corapi responds to the SOLT statement:

"I am going to answer in a simple, straight forward way what seem to me the main elements of the action taken against me by the Diocese of Corpus Christi and the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity.
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Regarding my personal financial situation—From the earliest days (more than twenty years ago) the Founder of the Society of Our Lady, Fr. James Flanagan, encouraged me to support myself and the Church as well. He said they could not afford to support my ministry and me personally because of the unique nature of the mission. At every step of the way, through the entire past twenty years, the Society of Our Lady’s leadership knew of my financial independence.  As Fr. Flanagan encouraged, I have supported SOLT and myself from ‘day-one.‘  I have never relied on the Society for shelter, clothing, transportation, medical care, or legal counsel and instead, using my history of success in business, set up my mission as any savvy business man would, meanwhile continuing to support the Society and many other Catholic Charities.
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Regarding my resignation—I resigned because the process used by the Church is grossly unjust, and, hence, immoral. I resigned because I had no chance from the beginning of a fair and just hearing.  As I have indicated from the beginning of all this, I am not extinguished!  If I were to commit to the suggestion of the Society, then I would essentially crawl under a rock and wait to die.  However, I can not deny this desire to share aspects of Truth and Hope with all those willing to hear.  This is what I shall continue to fight for!  Many are not going to appreciate this decision, and I respect that.  For those who can accept it, onward!"

Bolded for emphasis. Does no one else find that troubling?  Huh Aspects of the truth? What the heck does that mean?

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7 July 2011: Corapi responds to the SOLT statement:

"I am going to answer in a simple, straight forward way what seem to me the main elements of the action taken against me by the Diocese of Corpus Christi and the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity.
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Regarding my personal financial situation—From the earliest days (more than twenty years ago) the Founder of the Society of Our Lady, Fr. James Flanagan, encouraged me to support myself and the Church as well. He said they could not afford to support my ministry and me personally because of the unique nature of the mission. At every step of the way, through the entire past twenty years, the Society of Our Lady’s leadership knew of my financial independence.  As Fr. Flanagan encouraged, I have supported SOLT and myself from ‘day-one.‘  I have never relied on the Society for shelter, clothing, transportation, medical care, or legal counsel and instead, using my history of success in business, set up my mission as any savvy business man would, meanwhile continuing to support the Society and many other Catholic Charities.
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Regarding my resignation—I resigned because the process used by the Church is grossly unjust, and, hence, immoral. I resigned because I had no chance from the beginning of a fair and just hearing.  As I have indicated from the beginning of all this, I am not extinguished!  If I were to commit to the suggestion of the Society, then I would essentially crawl under a rock and wait to die.  However, I can not deny this desire to share aspects of Truth and Hope with all those willing to hear.  This is what I shall continue to fight for!  Many are not going to appreciate this decision, and I respect that.  For those who can accept it, onward!"

Bolded for emphasis. Does no one else find that troubling?  Huh Aspects of the truth? What the heck does that mean?

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What I find most troubling about the SOLT statement is

1) the fact that Corapi has been a priest with SOLT for more than 20 years.  He has had the full spiritual support of the founder of SOLT to date, and it was the founder of SOLT who encouraged him to keep his ministry going with his own private funds.  He's been a self supporting member of SOLT for 20 years and has contributed to it and other charities.  These things are a matter of public record.   And now all of a sudden he's a disobedient SOB because he won't go back "home" and take his millions with him and turn it ALL over to SOLT...really?...He's not a monastic.  He took no monastic vows.    So where's the beef?  There is not a legitimate one at all.

2) Now he is publicly convicted without any public evidence and without any due process of sexual offenses that are, to say the least, less than clearly defined.  There's no evidence but loads of assurances.   

If they fudge the financial charges...why not the rest?

Where is the evidence?
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1) the fact that Corapi has been a priest with SOLT for more than 20 years.  He has had the full spiritual support of the founder of SOLT to date, and it was the founder of SOLT who encouraged him to keep his ministry going with his own private funds.  He's been a self supporting member of SOLT for 20 years and has contributed to it and other charities.  These things are a matter of public record.   And now all of a sudden he's a disobedient SOB because he won't go back "home" and take his millions with him and turn it ALL over to SOLT...really?...He's not a monastic.  He took no monastic vows.    So where's the beef?  There is not a legitimate one at all.

Unfortunately this is often the way things work in hierarchical institutions (Not just the RCC).  I person can be on top of the world and then, through either a scandal or some wrongdoing they are immediately either outrightly condemned or erased from memory.  It is eerily like Stalinism (Which was itself modeled after already existing hierarchical groups and their centuries old tactics).  Its always been like this and, however unjust it may seem things will probably still be working this way many, many years from now. 
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« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2011, 03:10:24 PM »

New video by Corapi. Very, very interesting, to say the least. Shocked
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New video by Corapi. Very, very interesting, to say the least. Shocked

Is that real leather?

Okay..."Don't be mad and don't be sad"

Fine advice.

He sure does have a good set of pipes (voice).
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New video by Corapi. Very, very interesting, to say the least. Shocked

Is that real leather?


Well chewed Harley Leathers... Smiley

He's unique.  I've always thought of him as a male Ertha Kit.

I hope he does not live up to the comparison in its potential entirety.
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New video by Corapi. Very, very interesting, to say the least. Shocked

Is that real leather?


Well chewed Harley Leathers... Smiley

He's unique.  I've always thought of him as a male Ertha Kit.

I hope he does not live up to the comparison in its potential entirety.

LOL! Actually, I think by his attire and grooming you may be disappointed by your last sentence . . .
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« Reply #72 on: July 09, 2011, 04:16:39 PM »

New video by Corapi. Very, very interesting, to say the least. Shocked

Is that real leather?


Well chewed Harley Leathers... Smiley

He's unique.  I've always thought of him as a male Ertha Kit.

I hope he does not live up to the comparison in its potential entirety.

LOL! Actually, I think by his attire and grooming you may be disappointed by your last sentence . . .

The longer it goes the more I fear you may be right.
 
It angers me...Lord have mercy...that he would play games with all this IF in fact his behavior has been sinful indeed.

There are many priests out in the world who have been badly treated by their bishops and they looked to him to light a path for change, for them and for others who might come after. 

I no longer see that happening and with each passing E-event, I see the possibility fading into ever thinner transparency....

He has essentially said in this video that he's going no further with any of this after a week or so leaving us in the dark: forever.  That is not my idea of a beacon.  He will shatter many hearts and minds in this...already has, it appears. 

Well...no point in wasting time on it.

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« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2011, 11:42:40 AM »

Watching that video is positively frightening. Where's the gentle, loving, gray-beared priest we loved? Some commenters at YouTube have noted--and rightly so--that he now looks almost exactly like Anton LaVey. Satan has a cruel sense of humor.

I have long admired Fr. Corapi, and believe that he is not a fraud. When he was a priest, he truly was a sincere, godly man. Not perfect, but good. His was an inspirational story, larger than life.

He has now been entirely overwhelmed by sin. Not casual, gradual sin, but sin that can only be the result of a direct and concerted attack. Perhaps Father grew too powerful and Satan singled him out for special torment. In that, Father Corapi is a good example to us all of exactly how powerful Satan's grip on us is. Thank God for protecting us each day; we are truly blessed. We must pray that God will give Father Corapi the strength break Satan's bonds and come back to the church. Father Corapi must overcome this episode of demonic possession or he is definitely going to Hell. Lord, have mercy on him.
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Watching that video is positively frightening. Where's the gentle, loving, gray-beared priest we loved? Some commenters at YouTube have noted--and rightly so--that he now looks almost exactly like Anton LaVey. Satan has a cruel sense of humor.

I have long admired Fr. Corapi, and believe that he is not a fraud. When he was a priest, he truly was a sincere, godly man. Not perfect, but good. His was an inspirational story, larger than life.

He has now been entirely overwhelmed by sin. Not casual, gradual sin, but sin that can only be the result of a direct and concerted attack. Perhaps Father grew too powerful and Satan singled him out for special torment. In that, Father Corapi is a good example to us all of exactly how powerful Satan's grip on us is. Thank God for protecting us each day; we are truly blessed. We must pray that God will give Father Corapi the strength break Satan's bonds and come back to the church. Father Corapi must overcome this episode of demonic possession or he will go to Hell. Lord, have mercy on him.

demonic possession?

You must be a powerful saint in order to be able to read hearts and discern spirits.
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I am far from a saint, thanks. You're suffering from the logical fallacy that only a saint can discern possession. If someone is truly possessed, I submit that, in many cases, anyone can see it. Think of the Gadarene demoniac; his neighbors had chained him many times. They did it for a reason.

Look at Corapi---look at him. It's like a cruel joke.
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I am far from a saint, thanks.

Look at him. Look at him. It's like a cruel joke.

I'll tell you what is an even more insidious joke:  A "saintly" bishop taking a priest and putting him on leave for years and NEVER charging him with any crime and never allowing due process...never allowing him to confront his accuser and never giving him any justice at all.

I wonder if the people in my Church and outside can even begin to discern evil when it stares them in the face.

But a dye-job...oh yes...MUST be demonic!!
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I used to have great respect for this man when he was a priest, he used motivate me in my faith when I felt down.

But watching that video, looking at him now.

He is not the same person, he is someone that is lost, he has lost his way.

and to be honest, he looks like a thug, not like someone that has just left the priesthood.

does he look like the type of person could talk to as a spiritual father now? or as someone out to course trouble?





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I used to have great respect for this man when he was a priest, he used motivate me in my faith when I felt down.

But watching that video, looking at him now.

He is not the same person, he is someone that is lost, he has lost his way.

and to be honest, he looks like a thug, not like someone that has just left the priesthood.

does he look like the type of person could talk to as a spiritual father now? or as someone out to course trouble?


Interesting.  He's from a poor Italian background.  I grew up in Philadelphia where every third male looked like that.  He looks pretty culturally congruent to me.

Do you have a problem with Italians?
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I used to have great respect for this man when he was a priest, he used motivate me in my faith when I felt down.

But watching that video, looking at him now.

He is not the same person, he is someone that is lost, he has lost his way.

and to be honest, he looks like a thug, not like someone that has just left the priesthood.

does he look like the type of person could talk to as a spiritual father now? or as someone out to course trouble?


Interesting.  He's from a poor Italian background.  I grew up in Philadelphia where every third male looked like that.  He looks pretty culturally congruent to me.

Do you have a problem with Italians?

1. does he look like someone that has just left the roman catholic priesthood?
2. why are you trying to bring racism into this?

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I used to have great respect for this man when he was a priest, he used motivate me in my faith when I felt down.

But watching that video, looking at him now.

He is not the same person, he is someone that is lost, he has lost his way.

and to be honest, he looks like a thug, not like someone that has just left the priesthood.

does he look like the type of person could talk to as a spiritual father now? or as someone out to course trouble?


Interesting.  He's from a poor Italian background.  I grew up in Philadelphia where every third male looked like that.  He looks pretty culturally congruent to me.

Do you have a problem with Italians?

1. does he look like someone that has just left the roman catholic priesthood?
2. why are you trying to bring racism into this?



Last time I checked Italians were classified as Caucasian.  Are you afraid to answer my question?

I've been to deanery meetings where priests, in leathers, arrived on motorcycles...more than one.

Is there some code to the holy and the demonic that they don't know about that you and others here are in charge of?

Again is a dye-job indicative of the demonic?
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I'm just happy he is alive so I can still hear what he has to say once in awhile
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I used to have great respect for this man when he was a priest, he used motivate me in my faith when I felt down.

But watching that video, looking at him now.

He is not the same person, he is someone that is lost, he has lost his way.

and to be honest, he looks like a thug, not like someone that has just left the priesthood.

does he look like the type of person could talk to as a spiritual father now? or as someone out to course trouble?


Interesting.  He's from a poor Italian background.  I grew up in Philadelphia where every third male looked like that.  He looks pretty culturally congruent to me.

Do you have a problem with Italians?

1. does he look like someone that has just left the roman catholic priesthood?
2. why are you trying to bring racism into this?



Last time I checked Italians were classified as Caucasian.  Are you afraid to answer my question?

I've been to deanery meetings where priests, in leathers, arrived on motorcycles...more than one.

Is there some code to the holy and the demonic that they don't know about that you and others here are in charge of?

Again is a dye-job indicative of the demonic?


you are missing the point entirely,

Roman Catholic priests are generally clean shaven, and I have never seen a priest who looks like that.

as you say Italians are Caucasian, but they are also European same as me, and I like the Italians, I like there language, Culture, and guess what? there country is next to where I am.

And last time I looked, John Corapi was born in New York.

so what is your problem? why are you trying to bring racism into a conversation about a ex priest? I asked you 2 questions, why don't you answer them?

1. does he look like someone that has just left the roman catholic priesthood?
2. why are you trying to bring racism into this?



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« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2011, 09:15:23 AM »

If it doesn't work out for him as a priest or black sheepdog, he could always be the movie trailer voice-over guy. I think we can all agree on that.

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elijahmaria:

In your zeal to defend Father Corapi. you are neglecting a couple of things. For example, most of us like him too. I like him a lot myself; I used to listen to him at every opportunity I had. I like the man. But. But he is not acting in any way that conforms to what I would imagine a Catholic priest to act like under the circumstances---even if his order was giving him a hard time. Take it as a given that the Church will botch some elements of any investigation. That still doesn't explain his bizarre behavior. Most of the priests I know would not be trying to recapture their youth and acting like some Hell's Angel renegade. The man needs our prayers.

It is not merely a matter of his beard; it's his whole persona and attitude. You don't have to agree with other peoples' assessments; you just have to accept them, they're not going away. We'll agree to respectfully disagree. By the time you're arguing about anti-Italian racism, your argument really is out of bullets. Time will eventually reveal the truth. But keep Corapi in your prayers.
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« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2011, 09:30:13 AM »

It is not merely a matter of his beard; it's his whole persona and attitude.
And these led you to diagnose him as demoniacally possessed and hell-bound?:

Father Corapi must overcome this episode of demonic possession or he is definitely going to Hell. Lord, have mercy on him.

My diagnosis would be mid-life crisis.
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It is not merely a matter of his beard; it's his whole persona and attitude.
And these led you to diagnose him as demoniacally possessed and hell-bound?:

Father Corapi must overcome this episode of demonic possession or he is definitely going to Hell. Lord, have mercy on him.

My diagnosis would be mid-life crisis.

He's a man in desperate need of a Girlfriend... "Dear, maybe you shouldn't wear that leather jacket when you make a video"..... etc.
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My diagnosis would be mid-life crisis.

I agree that there could be something in what you say, but, ostensibly, he was over that when he became a priest, right? How many priests do you know running around in a Harley jacket other than Corapi? Zero? None? Priests are just as open to midlife crises as anyone else, but I suspect they handle it in a different way---in fact, they're supposed to. Perhaps demon-possessed is a little over the top; I'm just suggesting that Satan is giving him a particularly hard time, because, you see, I do regard Father Corapi as a godly man. I don't doubt that. He has a very strong personality; everything is in Technicolor.
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elijahmaria:

In your zeal to defend Father Corapi. you are neglecting a couple of things. For example, most of us like him too. I like him a lot myself; I used to listen to him at every opportunity I had. I like the man. But. But he is not acting in any way that conforms to what I would imagine a Catholic priest to act like under the circumstances---even if his order was giving him a hard time. Take it as a given that the Church will botch some elements of any investigation. That still doesn't explain his bizarre behavior. Most of the priests I know would not be trying to recapture their youth and acting like some Hell's Angel renegade. The man needs our prayers.

It is not merely a matter of his beard; it's his whole persona and attitude. You don't have to agree with other peoples' assessments; you just have to accept them, they're not going away. We'll agree to respectfully disagree. By the time you're arguing about anti-Italian racism, your argument really is out of bullets. Time will eventually reveal the truth. But keep Corapi in your prayers.

This has nothing to do with my opinions about the situation with John Corapi.  But..hey!!...If it trips your trigger I don't mind.

He's been deposed from his priestly ministry by his bishop.

So why can't he dye his beard and wear leathers if he chooses?

He can NO LONGER appear publicly as a priest.

Doh....
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« Reply #89 on: July 11, 2011, 11:03:36 AM »

It looks like he's lost a bit of weight, too.

That's a really nice jacket, too, and if you think that makes him look like a "thug," you have no idea what real thugs look like, even if your idea of one is Marlon Brando in the Wild Ones.  He looks like any middle-aged, middle class Harley Davidson enthusiast, most of whom are the furthest thing from thugs.
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« Reply #90 on: July 11, 2011, 11:06:56 AM »

My diagnosis would be mid-life crisis.
I agree that there could be something in what you say, but, ostensibly, he was over that when he became a priest, right?
How could he have been in mid-life crisis if he wasn't in mid-life? He was ordained at 44. I'm 45 and still looking forward to my mid-life crisis and growing old disgracefully.

How many priests do you know running around in a Harley jacket other than Corapi? Zero? None?
So the man has bad taste....

Priests are just as open to midlife crises as anyone else, but I suspect they handle it in a different way---in fact, they're supposed to.
Probably, but apparently sometimes not.

Perhaps demon-possessed is a little over the top;
Just a little.

I'm just suggesting that Satan is giving him a particularly hard time, because, you see, I do regard Father Corapi as a godly man. I don't doubt that. He has a very strong personality; everything is in Technicolor.
You think so? I find him rather a hackneyed cliché.
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« Reply #91 on: July 11, 2011, 11:21:00 AM »

It looks like he's lost a bit of weight, too.

That's a really nice jacket, too, and if you think that makes him look like a "thug," you have no idea what real thugs look like, even if your idea of one is Marlon Brando in the Wild Ones.  He looks like any middle-aged, middle class Harley Davidson enthusiast, most of whom are the furthest thing from thugs.

That's a beautiful jacket. 

And not only do I know Roman rite priests who are Harley enthusiasts but I know eastern Catholic priests and Orthodox priests and they ALL wear nice leather jackets...and sometimes full leathers, depending on the trip.

All this other commentary is just silly.

Until John Corapi can be reinstated by a bishop willing to grant him faculties and give him a fair hearing, not necessarily in that order, then he cannot appear publicly as a priest so he is hardly dressed inappropriately.
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« Reply #92 on: July 11, 2011, 11:44:15 AM »

He reminds me of...The Fonz.
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My diagnosis would be mid-life crisis.

I agree that there could be something in what you say, but, ostensibly, he was over that when he became a priest, right? How many priests do you know running around in a Harley jacket other than Corapi? Zero? None? Priests are just as open to midlife crises as anyone else, but I suspect they handle it in a different way---in fact, they're supposed to. Perhaps demon-possessed is a little over the top;

I thought it was.

My diagnosis is that you had a very high opinion of him. Then, when it became difficult to reconcile your opinion with reality, concluding "demonic possession" was easier than lowering your opinion of him.

Did I say "diagnosis"? I guess turn it turned it a wild speculation. Sorry.  Embarrassed

I'm just suggesting that Satan is giving him a particularly hard time, because, you see, I do regard Father Corapi as a godly man. I don't doubt that. He has a very strong personality; everything is in Technicolor.

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« Reply #94 on: July 11, 2011, 12:53:43 PM »

Honestly, how can any of us know if he is guilty or not? I think we can agree, for that most part, that his behavior at least appears strange.
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Well, I finally had the opportunity to watch his most recent video. Just a few observations:
1. He is still encouraging people to be faithful to Jesus Christ and his Church, at least in his words.
2. His new look really doesn't seem that off beat. It seems to match his personality, and as person no longer serving as a Priest, there is really nothing wrong with what he wear reflecting his pesonality and personal tastes.
3. However, his actions do not seem to be pointing people towards the church. He knows very well how fickle some people can be, especially those who engage in hero worship. Thus, while he engages in what appears to be disobedience to the Church, he must know that such scandal will lead others into disobedience to the Church, whether or not that is his intended consequence.

Finally, I would not every want to be in his position, whether he is innocent or not. If he is guilty, then it would be awful to be drowning in such sin. If he is innocent, I would not want to experience the persecution and pain that he has experienced. That all being said, all of us are called to both sacrifice and obedience. If Fr. is innocent, Christ appears to be calling Fr. Corapi to sacrifice his ministry, at least temporarily and to submit to obedience to those in the Church to whom he should be obedient whether Fr. Corapi likes it or not. While I would not like to be in Fr.'s shoes, if he is innocent, he is being called to a sort of martyrdom which Fr. Corapi seems to be unwilling to accept. In all, he needs everyone's prayers and everyone's compassion. Each of us needs to remember to accuse ourselves as the first of sinners.
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For twenty years I tried to impart the Catholic and Christian Faith through preaching and teaching the Word of God as a Catholic priest. That era of my life is sadly ended, but rather than lie down and die, I have made a decision to continue doing what I can to inspire, teach, and give hope to the people living in a time in history much in need of it.
 
In keeping with this decision, the entire inventory of Fr. John Corapi material will be sold only up until 5:00 pm Eastern time, July 25th, 2011. After that, there will be no further chance to acquire the audio and video material that marked that era. Everything in the inventory will be marked down 50%.
 
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« Reply #97 on: July 12, 2011, 11:17:36 AM »

My diagnosis is that you had a very high opinion of him. Then, when it became difficult to reconcile your opinion with reality, concluding "demonic possession" was easier than lowering your opinion of him.

Your "diagnosis" is a figment of your feeble imagination. I did not have a "very high opinion of him" that was incapable of being lowered. I'm not a romantic; I just like the guy. He's no better or worse than any of us. And I am not a Roman Catholic, nor have I ever been one. I'm Orthodox.

You and others may disagree with me--and I could not care less. Personally, I am getting a bad feeling from him ('bad vibes' as they used to say). It would come as no surprise to me to discover that, at some point, he tries to harm himself. I can't give you any specific reason why. I have learned over the years to trust my instincts. I pray he will conquer this problem. Clearly, he is a very troubled man right now.

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My diagnosis is that you had a very high opinion of him. Then, when it became difficult to reconcile your opinion with reality, concluding "demonic possession" was easier than lowering your opinion of him.

Your "diagnosis" is a figment of your feeble imagination. I did not have a "very high opinion of him" that was incapable of being lowered. I'm not a romantic; I just like the guy. He's no better or worse than any of us. And I am not a Roman Catholic, nor have I ever been one. I'm Orthodox.

You and others may disagree with me--and I could not care less. Personally, I am getting a bad feeling from him ('bad vibes' as they used to say). It would come as no surprise to me to discover that, at some point, he tries to harm himself. I can't give you any specific reason why. I have learned over the years to trust my instincts. I pray he will conquer this problem. Clearly, he is a very troubled man right now.



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Don't be upset.  It is a strange set of circumstances all around.  I choose to reserve judgment as much as possible for the moment.  You are more willing to express yourself.  But surely I do understand how you feel about what you see and hear.  It's all right to express that...and I don't believe you are condemning with your words as much as you are telling us what it makes you feel like to encounter John Corapi now...

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For twenty years I tried to impart the Catholic and Christian Faith through preaching and teaching the Word of God as a Catholic priest. That era of my life is sadly ended, but rather than lie down and die, I have made a decision to continue doing what I can to inspire, teach, and give hope to the people living in a time in history much in need of it.
 
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I wonder if he will continue teaching about the Catholic faith at all.
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My diagnosis is that you had a very high opinion of him. Then, when it became difficult to reconcile your opinion with reality, concluding "demonic possession" was easier than lowering your opinion of him.

Your "diagnosis" is a figment of your feeble imagination.

Does that fact that you disagree with it make it "a figment of [my] feeble imagination"?
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For twenty years I tried to impart the Catholic and Christian Faith through preaching and teaching the Word of God as a Catholic priest. That era of my life is sadly ended, but rather than lie down and die, I have made a decision to continue doing what I can to inspire, teach, and give hope to the people living in a time in history much in need of it.
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I wonder if he will continue teaching about the Catholic faith at all.
Well, I doubt he'll start teaching Mormonism.
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For twenty years I tried to impart the Catholic and Christian Faith through preaching and teaching the Word of God as a Catholic priest. That era of my life is sadly ended, but rather than lie down and die, I have made a decision to continue doing what I can to inspire, teach, and give hope to the people living in a time in history much in need of it.
 
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I am thankful for every one of you; for your kindness, your prayers, and your understanding. I hope that we can meet again in new places and together move on toward fulfilling our mission. God bless you, God love you, and goodbye for now.
 
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I wonder if he will continue teaching about the Catholic faith at all.

I wonder the same thing.  IF he is guilty of any of the charges of sexual impropriety then it will be very difficult for him to continue to teach either Catholic doctrine or Catholic morality.  And I mean here that his words will not ring true even if we are not sure based on evidence of his guilt or innocence.

However if he truly is innocent then he could continue on with great credibility.

If he ducks...and heads out into the world as John Corapi, commentator...it will be boring as hell.   Smiley

As far as I am concerned, the only thing that made John Corapi a successful teacher was the Truth he taught...and not the man teaching it.

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As far as I am concerned, the only thing that made John Corapi a successful teacher was the Truth he taught...and not the man teaching it.

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« Reply #104 on: July 12, 2011, 03:01:26 PM »

Watching that video is positively frightening. Where's the gentle, loving, gray-beared priest we loved? Some commenters at YouTube have noted--and rightly so--that he now looks almost exactly like Anton LaVey.
He has always looked liked Anton LaVey.
And he hasn't had a gray beard for some time now. And in the video (from 2010) he talks about having a license to carry a gun, and riding a Harley Fatboy (as well as receiving regular death threats).
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« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2011, 04:06:36 PM »

Really, I am just happy he is alive..Don't sweat the small stuff as they say.

I have known too many people who are now deceased. I cant call them or speak to them or hear how they are doing or as with a celeb like Corapi, read their book or get their CD..

I am just grateful he is alive and doing ...whatever...  He even has a web page and a newsletter.

Good enough for me.
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The main charges are sexual impropriety, drug use, alcohol abuse, and violating his vow of poverty, but SOLT (Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity) is also continuing to cite his vow of obedience as well. SOLT claims he accumulated $1,000,000 in personal assets, and offered $100,000 to his accuser, and unspecified amounts to other witnesses, not to disclose facts about the case, and that he refused to waive this requirement upon request from SOLT.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but violation of his vows of poverty and obedience seem just as troubling to SOLT, and from a certain point of view the guilt or lack thereof of John Corapi on the sexual charges seems a separate issue from whether in accordance with his vows he should follow the procedures of his church for adjudicating such cases. If he was under a vow of obedience, one might suppose he voluntarily subjected himself to all that entails, including juridical procedures, requests to allow witnesses to waive non-disclosure agreements with him, etc. These remarks should be taken with a grain of salt as I am admittedly an outsider and only partially informed as everyone else here also is.

Cf. the latest SOLT Press Release (July 5, 2011) here:  http://soltnews.blogspot.com/2011/07/press-release-concerning-fr-john-corapi.html

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When the fact-finding team asked Fr. Corapi to dismiss the lawsuit, to forbear from foreclosing his mortgage, and to release her and other individuals from their contractual obligations to remain silent about him, he refused to do so and, through his canonical advocate, stated: "It is not possible for Father Corapi to answer the Commission's questions at this time."

SOLT's fact-finding team has acquired information from Fr. Corapi's e-mails, various witnesses, and public sources that, together, state that, during his years of public ministry:  He did have sexual relations and years of cohabitation (in California and Montana) with a woman known to him, when the relationship began, as a prostitute; He repeatedly abused alcohol and drugs; He has recently engaged in sexting activity with one or more women in Montana; He holds legal title to over $1 million in real estate, numerous luxury vehicles, motorcycles, an ATV, a boat dock, and several motor boats, which is a serious violation of his promise of poverty as a perpetually professed member of the Society. SOLT has contemporaneously with the issuance of this press release directed Fr. John Corapi, under obedience, to return home to the Society’s regional office and take up residence there. It has also ordered him, again under obedience, to dismiss the lawsuit he has filed against his accuser. SOLT's prior direction to Fr. John Corapi not to engage in any preaching or teaching, the celebration of the sacraments or other public ministry continues. Catholics should understand that SOLT does not consider Fr. John Corapi as fit for ministry.
Given some of the conflicting statements I've heard already I'm still not sure what to believe, but we can continue to hope and pray for the best for him, whether he is guilty or not.
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I never was that big into Fr. Corapi.  I first heard of him from My grandma (Who was a regular viewer of his show on EWTN).  I admit that he was a powerful preacher and had the study, booming voice to make a good show (A quality that was once common among clergy, but today is all to rare).  I never personally took too much interest in him and actually preferred the much more sedate Fr Benedict Groschell and his witty stories to Corapi's thundering apologetics. 

I don't feel that I'm in the position to make a fair and accurate judgment on this case.  However Corapi's religious order and his RC bishop have apparently passed judgment on him for me.  As an RC, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to this man (Especially since he flat out denies the allegations made against him).  However I also can't just throw away the directives of Corpai's superiors as nothing.  They obviously believe that he is guilty and have compiled enough evidence to back it up.  I can't believe (As Corpai asserts) That's its all just one, big conspiracy against him.  After all, he has been consistently preaching traditional Catholicism since his ordination and was never suspended by either his bishop or religious superiors.  So, if it is all a plot against Corpai, why did the powers that be wait so long to enact it?

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I never was that big into Fr. Corapi.  I first heard of him from My grandma (Who was a regular viewer of his show on EWTN).  I admit that he was a powerful preacher and had the study, booming voice to make a good show (A quality that was once common among clergy, but today is all to rare).  I never personally took too much interest in him and actually preferred the much more sedate Fr Benedict Groschell and his witty stories to Corapi's thundering apologetics. 

I don't feel that I'm in the position to make a fair and accurate judgment on this case.  However Corapi's religious order and his RC bishop have apparently passed judgment on him for me.  As an RC, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to this man (Especially since he flat out denies the allegations made against him).  However I also can't just throw away the directives of Corpai's superiors as nothing.  They obviously believe that he is guilty and have compiled enough evidence to back it up.  I can't believe (As Corpai asserts) That's its all just one, big conspiracy against him.  After all, he has been consistently preaching traditional Catholicism since his ordination and was never suspended by either his bishop or religious superiors.  So, if it is all a plot against Corpai, why did the powers that be wait so long to enact it?


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Well Joan of Arc may have eventually been exonerated, but until that time it was the duty of RC's to listen to the proper Church authorities and heed her excommunication.  I certainly do hope that Fr Corapi is eventually vindicated andcleared of these charges, but until that time what else can I do but, at least heed the warnings of his bishop and religious superiors?

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what else can I do but, at least heed the warnings of his bishop and religious superiors?
What warnings have been given? Has he been excommunicated?
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I never was that big into Fr. Corapi.  I first heard of him from My grandma (Who was a regular viewer of his show on EWTN).  I admit that he was a powerful preacher and had the study, booming voice to make a good show (A quality that was once common among clergy, but today is all to rare).  I never personally took too much interest in him and actually preferred the much more sedate Fr Benedict Groschell and his witty stories to Corapi's thundering apologetics. 

I don't feel that I'm in the position to make a fair and accurate judgment on this case.  However Corapi's religious order and his RC bishop have apparently passed judgment on him for me.  As an RC, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to this man (Especially since he flat out denies the allegations made against him).  However I also can't just throw away the directives of Corpai's superiors as nothing.  They obviously believe that he is guilty and have compiled enough evidence to back it up.  I can't believe (As Corpai asserts) That's its all just one, big conspiracy against him.  After all, he has been consistently preaching traditional Catholicism since his ordination and was never suspended by either his bishop or religious superiors.  So, if it is all a plot against Corpai, why did the powers that be wait so long to enact it?


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I never was that big into Fr. Corapi.  I first heard of him from My grandma (Who was a regular viewer of his show on EWTN).  I admit that he was a powerful preacher and had the study, booming voice to make a good show (A quality that was once common among clergy, but today is all to rare).  I never personally took too much interest in him and actually preferred the much more sedate Fr Benedict Groschell and his witty stories to Corapi's thundering apologetics. 

I don't feel that I'm in the position to make a fair and accurate judgment on this case.  However Corapi's religious order and his RC bishop have apparently passed judgment on him for me.  As an RC, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to this man (Especially since he flat out denies the allegations made against him).  However I also can't just throw away the directives of Corpai's superiors as nothing.  They obviously believe that he is guilty and have compiled enough evidence to back it up.  I can't believe (As Corpai asserts) That's its all just one, big conspiracy against him.  After all, he has been consistently preaching traditional Catholicism since his ordination and was never suspended by either his bishop or religious superiors.  So, if it is all a plot against Corpai, why did the powers that be wait so long to enact it?


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« Reply #113 on: July 14, 2011, 05:58:06 AM »

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There is no comparison since Joan of Arc did not go around making videos on youtube saying that she was using cocaine.


Are people not capable of repenting for their sins?  Huh Many saints had troubles in their lives at one point. St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Mary of Egypt, St. Moses... people can change.  Undecided We don't know what's gone on between Corapi and his confessor or his God in private.
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« Reply #114 on: July 14, 2011, 03:51:30 PM »

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There is no comparison since Joan of Arc did not go around making videos on youtube saying that she was using cocaine.


Are people not capable of repenting for their sins?  Huh Many saints had troubles in their lives at one point. St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Mary of Egypt, St. Moses... people can change.  Undecided We don't know what's gone on between Corapi and his confessor or his God in private.
Obviously people can repent. I am not questioning that at all. I am questioning as to whether or not it is a valid comparison to compare a saintly person such as Joan of Arc with a man who goes on youtube and publicly says that he has been using cocaine and attending wild parties. I just think that any analogy or comparison breaks down at the very least at this point. Also it is known that Joan of Arc was a virgin.
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« Reply #115 on: July 14, 2011, 04:08:14 PM »

You missed my point, which was that Church authorities had her condemned as a witch and a heretic and burnt at the stake.  They, to use Robb's words "...obviously believe[d] that [she was] guilty and have compiled enough evidence to back it up."

They've been wrong before.  

Perhaps Mary's example was a better one, but Jeanne d'Arc was the first thing that popped into my head upon reading Robb's comment.
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« Reply #116 on: July 14, 2011, 04:17:17 PM »

There is no comparison since Joan of Arc did not go around making videos on youtube saying that she was using cocaine.

This is when I like to think folks are being ironic, but have learned through experience they are in fact not.

No, Joan of Arc said she saw youtube videos in her head which upset some people in authority who killed her for it. //:=|

 
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« Reply #117 on: July 14, 2011, 04:20:42 PM »

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There is no comparison since Joan of Arc did not go around making videos on youtube saying that she was using cocaine.


Are people not capable of repenting for their sins?  Huh Many saints had troubles in their lives at one point. St. Peter, St. Paul, St. Mary of Egypt, St. Moses... people can change.  Undecided We don't know what's gone on between Corapi and his confessor or his God in private.
Obviously people can repent. I am not questioning that at all. I am questioning as to whether or not it is a valid comparison to compare a saintly person such as Joan of Arc with a man who goes on youtube and publicly says that he has been using cocaine and attending wild parties. I just think that any analogy or comparison breaks down at the very least at this point. Also it is known that Joan of Arc was a virgin.

Analogy doesn't a proof make as you point out, but is illustrative of a point to make something more acute for the those who find themselves being obtuse.
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« Reply #118 on: July 15, 2011, 12:44:42 AM »

I personally have nothing against Corapi and really do wish him well.  I hope that the allegations against him are eventually prov en false.  However as a Catholic I am bound to follow my Churches higher authorities (Or, at least take their statements and warnings into account) When they make declarations on a priest credibility and tell the faithful to avoid him due to scandalous behavior.  Who am I to question his religious order and its superior general in the judgment that they they have made against him {Corapi}?  I know nothing more about the case then the facts which have been presented to the public at large, both from Corapi and the Church which he previously served.  However ecclesiastical censure is not something which is either issued lightly or meant to be taken lightly.  I have a hard time belling (As Corapi asserts) That these charges are just part of some big conspiracy to silence him.  So, to play it on the safe side I'd rather just take the word of those in authority. 

After all many greats saints of the Church were, at one point in their lives silenced or slandered by those in ecclesiastical authority.  They all just meekly went along with the decision of their superiors until they were eventually vindicated.  They did not start slandering those who have the rule over them and denouncing their superiors and bishops as corrupter and frauds as Corapi seems to be doing.  Maybe he {Corapi} Should follow those saints of the past in his behavior rather then rebel against his Church.
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« Reply #119 on: July 15, 2011, 08:48:08 AM »

When they make declarations on a priest credibility and tell the faithful to avoid him due to scandalous behavior.
Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see SOLT tell anyone to "avoid" Corapi.
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« Reply #120 on: July 15, 2011, 09:16:12 AM »

When they make declarations on a priest credibility and tell the faithful to avoid him due to scandalous behavior.
Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see SOLT tell anyone to "avoid" Corapi.

A SOLT representative declared that he was not fit to either teach or preach.

That whole accusatory statement is fraught with such questionable circumstance and lack of corroboration so as to make it questionable in my mind.  He was not indicted with that statement, Corapi was, without ANY due process, publicly convicted and sentenced.  I still think the entire situation stinks.

I am still reserving judgment.
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« Reply #121 on: July 15, 2011, 10:26:55 AM »

When they make declarations on a priest credibility and tell the faithful to avoid him due to scandalous behavior.
Perhaps I missed it, but I didn't see SOLT tell anyone to "avoid" Corapi.

A SOLT representative declared that he was not fit to either teach or preach.

That whole accusatory statement is fraught with such questionable circumstance and lack of corroboration so as to make it questionable in my mind.  He was not indicted with that statement, Corapi was, without ANY due process, publicly convicted and sentenced.  I still think the entire situation stinks.

I am still reserving judgment.

Yes it does stink. What we normally expect in terms of due process is not present. He has not had the opportunity to confront his accusers face to face in front of a Judge or Tribunal or cross examine them or present his own evidence... They just tossed him.
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« Reply #122 on: July 15, 2011, 10:44:18 AM »

Yes it does stink. What we normally expect in terms of due process is not present. He has not had the opportunity to confront his accusers face to face in front of a Judge or Tribunal or cross examine them or present his own evidence... They just tossed him.

Corapi seemed to have the same assumption, that somehow he had a right to such things. It seems to me that that is not the case.

"In the West, we think in terms of rights. Almost all of the ancient world worked without our concept of rights. People then, and some people now, believed in things we should or should not do—we should love others and we shouldn't steal, cheat, or murder—but then there was a queer shift to people thinking "I have an entitlement to this." "This is something the universe owes me." Now we tend to have a long list of things that we're entitled to (or we think God, or the universe, or someone "owes me"), and if someone violates our rights, boy do we get mad.

But in fact God owes none of the things we take for granted. Not even our lives. One woman with breast cancer responded to what the women's breast cancer support group was named ("Why me?"), and suggested there should be a Christian support group for women with breast cancer called "Why not me?""

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« Reply #123 on: July 15, 2011, 10:54:56 AM »

Yes it does stink. What we normally expect in terms of due process is not present. He has not had the opportunity to confront his accusers face to face in front of a Judge or Tribunal or cross examine them or present his own evidence... They just tossed him.

Corapi seemed to have the same assumption, that somehow he had a right to such things. It seems to me that that is not the case.

"In the West, we think in terms of rights. Almost all of the ancient world worked without our concept of rights. People then, and some people now, believed in things we should or should not do—we should love others and we shouldn't steal, cheat, or murder—but then there was a queer shift to people thinking "I have an entitlement to this." "This is something the universe owes me." Now we tend to have a long list of things that we're entitled to (or we think God, or the universe, or someone "owes me"), and if someone violates our rights, boy do we get mad.

But in fact God owes none of the things we take for granted. Not even our lives. One woman with breast cancer responded to what the women's breast cancer support group was named ("Why me?"), and suggested there should be a Christian support group for women with breast cancer called "Why not me?""

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That's all nice and good, but within the Roman Catholic communion, there is a very plain set out procedure for dealing with such things.  The monkey in the machine, so to speak, is that it's up to the local ordinary to get things going.  He can, at his discretion, sit on the issue, kind of like the so-called "pocket veto."  From what I understand, the bishop is morally obligated to get started quickly but he's not canonically obligated.

That's the source of the stench in this case.
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« Reply #124 on: July 15, 2011, 10:57:34 AM »

Yes it does stink. What we normally expect in terms of due process is not present. He has not had the opportunity to confront his accusers face to face in front of a Judge or Tribunal or cross examine them or present his own evidence... They just tossed him.

Corapi seemed to have the same assumption, that somehow he had a right to such things. It seems to me that that is not the case.

"In the West, we think in terms of rights. Almost all of the ancient world worked without our concept of rights. People then, and some people now, believed in things we should or should not do—we should love others and we shouldn't steal, cheat, or murder—but then there was a queer shift to people thinking "I have an entitlement to this." "This is something the universe owes me." Now we tend to have a long list of things that we're entitled to (or we think God, or the universe, or someone "owes me"), and if someone violates our rights, boy do we get mad.

But in fact God owes none of the things we take for granted. Not even our lives. One woman with breast cancer responded to what the women's breast cancer support group was named ("Why me?"), and suggested there should be a Christian support group for women with breast cancer called "Why not me?""

http://jonathanscorner.com/no_rights/

Nevertheless, ducks, the Church to which priest Corapi belongs operates by a code of canons which do indicate that he has a right to due process.  The specific elements of due process are not quite the same as the civil code of law, nonetheless he was denied that which is prescribed canonically.

And the rest of your argument has little to do with a Creator and the order of the Created universe...which apparently are also run by laws, and law is integral to revelation.

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« Reply #125 on: July 15, 2011, 11:00:00 AM »

Yes it does stink. What we normally expect in terms of due process is not present. He has not had the opportunity to confront his accusers face to face in front of a Judge or Tribunal or cross examine them or present his own evidence... They just tossed him.

Corapi seemed to have the same assumption, that somehow he had a right to such things. It seems to me that that is not the case.

"In the West, we think in terms of rights. Almost all of the ancient world worked without our concept of rights. People then, and some people now, believed in things we should or should not do—we should love others and we shouldn't steal, cheat, or murder—but then there was a queer shift to people thinking "I have an entitlement to this." "This is something the universe owes me." Now we tend to have a long list of things that we're entitled to (or we think God, or the universe, or someone "owes me"), and if someone violates our rights, boy do we get mad.

But in fact God owes none of the things we take for granted. Not even our lives. One woman with breast cancer responded to what the women's breast cancer support group was named ("Why me?"), and suggested there should be a Christian support group for women with breast cancer called "Why not me?""

http://jonathanscorner.com/no_rights/

That's all nice and good, but within the Roman Catholic communion, there is a very plain set out procedure for dealing with such things.  The monkey in the machine, so to speak, is that it's up to the local ordinary to get things going.  He can, at his discretion, sit on the issue, kind of like the so-called "pocket veto."  From what I understand, the bishop is morally obligated to get started quickly but he's not canonically obligated.

That's the source of the stench in this case.

Just a slight addition: IF the bishop simply imposes an administrative leave then the clock never starts on the process of charging the priest and convening a tribunal.  ONLY if the bishop canonically suspends a priest is he then canonically obligated to exercise due process.  Corapi was put on administrative leave.  Many innocent priests, as we speak, are fading or have faded into obscurity on "administrative leave."

The part that stinks then is the fact that SOLT convicted and sentenced Father Corapi with NO recourse of ANY kind to canonical due process.  The SOLT process circumvented ALL jurisdictional obligations and rights.

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« Reply #126 on: July 15, 2011, 11:33:05 AM »

Yes it does stink. What we normally expect in terms of due process is not present. He has not had the opportunity to confront his accusers face to face in front of a Judge or Tribunal or cross examine them or present his own evidence... They just tossed him.

Corapi seemed to have the same assumption, that somehow he had a right to such things. It seems to me that that is not the case.

"In the West, we think in terms of rights. Almost all of the ancient world worked without our concept of rights. People then, and some people now, believed in things we should or should not do—we should love others and we shouldn't steal, cheat, or murder—but then there was a queer shift to people thinking "I have an entitlement to this." "This is something the universe owes me." Now we tend to have a long list of things that we're entitled to (or we think God, or the universe, or someone "owes me"), and if someone violates our rights, boy do we get mad.

But in fact God owes none of the things we take for granted. Not even our lives. One woman with breast cancer responded to what the women's breast cancer support group was named ("Why me?"), and suggested there should be a Christian support group for women with breast cancer called "Why not me?""

http://jonathanscorner.com/no_rights/

That's all nice and good, but within the Roman Catholic communion, there is a very plain set out procedure for dealing with such things.  The monkey in the machine, so to speak, is that it's up to the local ordinary to get things going.  He can, at his discretion, sit on the issue, kind of like the so-called "pocket veto."  From what I understand, the bishop is morally obligated to get started quickly but he's not canonically obligated.

That's the source of the stench in this case.

I am not denying that there is a set of procedure to be followed. My issue is not with that but rather, Corapi's response to that procedure allegedly not being followed.

To me the stench is not the procedural hangings-up--it is a priest who chose to throw a hissy fit when things didn't go the way he wished.
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« Reply #127 on: August 26, 2011, 09:44:12 AM »

Corapi returns! Yet, he doesn't look back. He's starting a series on abortion, as well.
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« Reply #128 on: August 26, 2011, 10:02:23 AM »

Corapi returns! Yet, he doesn't look back. He's starting a series on abortion, as well.

Wow. Could he try to be more embarrassing to himself?


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« Reply #129 on: August 26, 2011, 10:08:30 AM »

Is it wrong to think that he is being even more dramatic than I am on a daily basis? And it's pretty hard to top that.
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« Reply #130 on: August 26, 2011, 10:17:27 AM »

Is it wrong to think that he is being even more dramatic than I am on a daily basis? And it's pretty hard to top that.

You ain't nearly the queen he is. And when are you dramatic?
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« Reply #131 on: August 26, 2011, 11:20:30 AM »

Corapi returns! Yet, he doesn't look back. He's starting a series on abortion, as well.

Just another way of making him more richer than he already is... he doesn't want to drop out of the lime light, he likes the attention... shame he is no longer preaching for the right reasons.
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« Reply #132 on: August 26, 2011, 11:36:48 AM »

And when are you dramatic?
When am I not?

"Drama queen" is a high school nickname. And only 50% of the people who used it were referring to my obsession with acting.  Cool
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« Reply #133 on: August 26, 2011, 11:45:26 AM »

I just think of him like he's a relative, an uncle or something like that. It's hard for me not to be on his side even when he acts like a loose cannon, (pardon the pun Smiley
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« Reply #134 on: September 14, 2011, 02:24:51 AM »

"Don't Look Back: The Entire Introduction", from The Black SheepDog's upcoming DVD titled, "Don't Look Back" scheduled to release September 20, 2011.
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