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Update on Father Corapi
« on: June 15, 2011, 07:44:31 PM »
The was on his Face Book page today:

Recently, Fr. Corapi held an internal office meeting and informed us that he is "not extinguished!" He expressed his continued desire to help deliver a message of hope to those who seek it and he informed us that by this weekend he will have a "very inportant announcement" that he plans on delivering on YouTube, Facebook, and through email.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2011, 08:31:57 PM »
The Spirit is descended!
The was on his Face Book page today:

Recently, Fr. Corapi held an internal office meeting and informed us that he is "not extinguished!" He expressed his continued desire to help deliver a message of hope to those who seek it and he informed us that by this weekend he will have a "very inportant announcement" that he plans on delivering on YouTube, Facebook, and through email.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2011, 04:43:11 PM »
"...All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter...."
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2011, 05:36:09 PM »
"...All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter...."
Does his explanation seem a bit long-winded?

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2011, 05:56:44 PM »
The whole thing is bizarre, and I don't know what to think of it. He has my prayers, and I hope he finds some place to exercise his priesthood in some way. I enjoy his preaching, and I hope those videos remain available. To think that our "rock star" priests are perfect is to be a clericalist. I pray he and his soul find peace.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2011, 05:57:43 PM »
The Spirit is descended!
"...All things change, only God stays the same, so I have to tell you about a major change in my life. I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer. There are certain persons in authority in the Church that want me gone, and I shall be gone. I have been guilty of many things in the course of my life, and could easily and justifiably be considered unfit to engage in public ministry as a priest. The present complaint that you have heard about is, as far as I know, from the one person that I can honestly say I did more to help and support than any human being in my entire life. I forgive her and hope only good things for her. I am not going to get into a back and forth or argument with the Church or anyone else about this matter...."
Does his explanation seem a bit long-winded?
Given the situation, and if it is truthful, no.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2011, 08:33:11 PM »
Weird....Fishy............disappointing

Here is his entire statement on Youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TfhGjfHWBM
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2011, 09:28:59 PM »
Maybe we will never know everything. I pray he finds direction in his new life.  :-\

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2011, 08:59:05 PM »


I'll continue to pray for Fr Corapi and his eventual vindication.  He was a good and trusted priest who deserves as much justice as he can get in this terrible situation.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2011, 09:02:47 PM »
I really wouldn't expect any explanation from this man. 
1) I don't know him
2) it is none of my business
Didn't Jesus say not to judge?  I gather that would include talking or wondering what Father Corapi did/didn't do/will have been doing.  I mean all we can do is pray for the man that he finds peace.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2011, 12:46:09 AM »
Please see the article linked below and written by a retired Roman Catholic Bishop.

I think this article shed some light on the subject.

Father Corapi appears to be doing the right thing in view of the fact that Roman Catholic Bishops must indefinitely suspend all priests accused (not convicted) of sexual abuse.

Let us pray for this priest. Perhaps if he does sue the woman who is accusing him (probably his ex-employee whom he terminated), then this situation can be resolved. See the following well written article:

http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2011, 02:08:39 AM »
Thanks for the link. I would also suggest looking at this one, which hints at what Corapi may be going through.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2011, 08:33:28 PM »
Thanks for the link. I would also suggest looking at this one, which hints at what Corapi may be going through.

Yes, I saw that piece.

Interesting.

It looks like Corapi is not going to take this without a fight.
And the only way to fight this possible bogus charge is to remove the title of Father from his name.
Otherwise, he could remain indefinitely suspended for many years.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2011, 08:52:19 PM »
Breaking News

NEW UPDATE - unleashed

http://theblacksheepdog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/unleashed_ep106-20-11.mp3

Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract

And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.

So, by resigning from the active ministry, Corapi is able to delve into broader topics and engage an international audience. Win-Win
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2011, 03:14:06 AM »
Breaking News

NEW UPDATE - unleashed

http://theblacksheepdog.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/unleashed_ep106-20-11.mp3

Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract

And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.

So, by resigning from the active ministry, Corapi is able to delve into broader topics and engage an international audience. Win-Win
he says here on the link you have provided that he is not using cocaine and is willing to take a drug test. But the wikipedia article has some unflattering things to say about his cocaine addiction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Corapi
and he talked about his use of cocaine on a previous video (about 8 min from 0):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iZ2IPdn9D4

And he says that he was in a psychiatric hosptial for one year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM7NCvtkwq0&feature=related
Does this seem like a man with problems?

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2011, 07:06:35 AM »
It seems like a man who HAD problems, before he found God.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 07:39:34 AM »
Some are pointing to John "Don't-Call-Me-Father" Corapi's new website, TheBlackSheepDog, as somehow being demonic-looking, because of the images.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2011, 10:21:06 AM »
Some are pointing to John "Don't-Call-Me-Father" Corapi's new website, TheBlackSheepDog, as somehow being demonic-looking, because of the images.

That occurred to me too. The pix are creepy. What could he be thinking?
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2011, 10:22:14 AM »
It IS creepy, and I don't say that very lightly.
She's touring the facility/and picking up slack.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2011, 10:27:18 AM »
It IS creepy, and I don't say that very lightly.

Love Fr. Corapi but he may be the kind of guy who needs a wife ( much like me).

"Dear, do you really want to post that picture, it's kind of creepy"

Or

"Dear, I dont think you look good with your hair shaved all the way down. I think you were much more handsome before"

Or

"Come on over here ya big lug and let's have a hug"


Like that   :)
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2011, 12:32:42 PM »
I had a similar response to the images that he put up. Perhaps some one in his organziation will point out the "creepiness".
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2011, 04:14:02 PM »
Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract
Well, that's what Corapi is saying. The other story floating around is that this woman is being suit for breach of a non-disclosure agreement, not libel.
Honestly, why would an employee of Santa Cruz media have a blanket non-disclosure agreement? There are times when certain information about business matters can not be disclosed, but this; a serious indiscretion that is a sin against his priestly vows?

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And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.
So, far only Corapi is making that statement. The official statement made by Corapi's religious order seems to have a bit of a different take.
http://soltnews.blogspot.com/2011/06/official-solt-statement-on-behalf-of-fr.html


I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.



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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2011, 04:48:27 PM »
Upshot - yes, a lawsuit has been filed against the woman for libel and breach of contract
Well, that's what Corapi is saying. The other story floating around is that this woman is being suit for breach of a non-disclosure agreement, not libel.
Honestly, why would an employee of Santa Cruz media have a blanket non-disclosure agreement? There are times when certain information about business matters can not be disclosed, but this; a serious indiscretion that is a sin against his priestly vows?

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And yes, a bishop of the Catholic Church advised him to resign from the active priestly ministry and to sue that woman, but the suspension caused the same effect, and he was effectively silenced.
So, far only Corapi is making that statement. The official statement made by Corapi's religious order seems to have a bit of a different take.
http://soltnews.blogspot.com/2011/06/official-solt-statement-on-behalf-of-fr.html


I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.





Go back to his blog.  The Founder of his religious order and a retired bishop are counseling him to carry forward as he is doing since the diocese is doing nothing at all.

Also he has not said that he does not know who his accuser is.  He does not know FROM the diocesan bishop who removed his faculties.

There are several canonical issues with SOLT that make it impossible for Father Corapi to appeal above the diocesan level for redress.  He can sit and wait till hell freezes over or he can accept the suspension, on his own terms and deal with his accuser in civil court, where he can at least get some kind of hearing.

Whether any other bishop in the United States has the courage to restore faculties to Father John is yet to be seen. 

In any event, there are a whole boatload of knee-jerks out there writing about things they know nothing about and presuming to beat the band.

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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2011, 06:23:19 PM »


He's lost all credibility, in my view.
It's much too soon for staking such a position, imho.
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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2011, 06:30:57 PM »


He's lost all credibility, in my view.
It's much too soon for staking such a position, imho.
Agreed. Before one can draw such conclusion, I think one needs to know much more about what really happened, and what is currently happening behind the scenes. I think the fact that we rarely are privy to such information, whether the situation be in the spotlight or not, is one of the main reasons that Jesus warned us against judging.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2011, 07:02:43 PM »
Smearing one's accuser by threatening to release private voice mails is not my idea of a priest who is walking the via dolorosa.

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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2011, 07:22:23 PM »
Smearing one's accuser by threatening to release private voice mails is not my idea of a priest who is walking the via dolorosa.
That has many people confused and saddened in the combox on his site. I did not think that the logo picture thing was too out of the ordinary for Corapi's personality and don't find it to be problematic beyond egotism (he's the sheepdog protecting Christianity). The threat and "fanbase" quip does tend to bring his credibility into question.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2011, 03:54:20 AM »
I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.

Is the accuser anonymous or not?

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2011, 10:11:50 AM »
I think it is speaking volumes that Corapi made a statement today that he has 2 hours of phone voice mails from this woman and is considering releasing them so that the public can make a determination of her "credibility.
He made this statement on his June 21 blog entry on his new site:
http://theblacksheepdog.us/

My question is: supposedly the initial report said that the accuser remains anonymous, but Corapi seems to know who she is.

There is a lot in Corapi's story that isn't adding up.

He's lost all credibility, in my view.

Is the accuser anonymous or not?

Her name has not been released to the public as far as I know but Father C. and the Bishops know who she is.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2011, 10:21:13 AM »
My wife and kids used to moan and groan when I would watch Father Corapi on Sunday nights ( and later on Sat. too).

But as my wife got sicker she became increasingly psychotic and started to watch with me. I guess it's kind of Funny/Sick that the more psychotic she became the more he made sense to her. However, he was her only shot at planting some bit of faith in her heart.

On the other hand, she may well have had a demon around her. Father Corapi would be a good choice to scare such a thing off. That may be why she was attracted late on.

So...he did good by us.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2011, 04:45:16 PM »
Update:  John Corapi has resigned as a priest.

Quote from: John Corapi
I am not going to be involved in public ministry as a priest any longer... the process used is inherently and fatally flawed... my canon lawyer and my civil lawyers have concluded that I cannot receive a fair and just hearing under the church's present process... the identity of the accuser is not revealed... nor or the exact allegations made known to you... you are for all practical purposes assumed guilty unless you can prove you are innocent...
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2011, 09:10:15 PM »
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2011, 09:15:53 PM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2011, 09:19:28 PM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAixFYnDh4&feature=related
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« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2011, 10:10:02 PM »
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2011, 12:33:51 AM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

It sounds to me as if he's doing a bad impersonation of himself.  Granted, I haven't heard much of his recent stuff. 

I found his response and statement somewhat odd.  I hope the situation turns out okay (bland enough?).   
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2011, 02:51:02 AM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Going through bad experiences can change people.  He may be unnerved due to all these events and lacks the self confident tone that he once had.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2011, 09:06:47 AM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Going through bad experiences can change people.  He may be unnerved due to all these events and lacks the self confident tone that he once had.

Father Corapi exhorts when he teaches and preaches.  He calls people to confidence in the faith.  That persona is not going to be there when he is not in "teacher" mode.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2011, 09:17:21 AM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Yes, when I read his new site.  :-\ Lord help him.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #40 on: June 25, 2011, 09:35:00 AM »
This may be a matter of my own particular perception, but Fr. Corapi sounds like a completely different person. Does anyone else get this sense as well?

Yes, when I read his new site.  :-\ Lord help him.

Do you have any idea how many good priests just disappear in this Church?  Father Corapi is doing precisely the correct thing, not only for himself but for many other very good priests in the Roman rite in this country, the USA.  He's doing what an emeritus bishop and the founder of his religious association are advising him to do.

Don't pay attention to those Catholics posting on that blog.  Most of them haven't a clue about the power of their bishops.  Nor do they understand the way religious life is organized.


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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #41 on: June 25, 2011, 10:40:04 AM »
Elijahmaria said:

"Most of them haven't a clue about the power of their bishops.  Nor do they understand the way religious life is organized."

Can you clarify this?  Especially the part about the power of their bishops.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #42 on: June 25, 2011, 10:44:42 AM »
I hope the accusations against Fr. Corapi are unfounded and if they are it raises an important issue.  Victims have a right to speak out against abuse but the accused should also have protection as well.  Look what's happened recently; many Catholic priests accused earlier in this decade have been found innocent.  This has happened because the accusers themselves have come out and said it did not happen.  Mostly because all of these "repressed memories" is a controversial issue that the American Psychiatric Association was calling into question years ago.  Our courts let it in like it was forensic evidence!

There needs to be protection for all people so that when false accusations are made (this may or may not be the case here), both sides are protected so the truth can be known.
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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2011, 11:02:01 AM »
Elijahmaria said:

"Most of them haven't a clue about the power of their bishops.  Nor do they understand the way religious life is organized."

Can you clarify this?  Especially the part about the power of their bishops.

A bishop has the canonical power to place himself above the law.  In other words, a priest may be placed on leave by a bishop and allowed to remain in that no-man's land indefinitely.  In fact it does happen for all manner of cases where a bishop wants to get rid of an annoying priest, but has no real canonical charge that would get rid of him definitively.   Yes.  There is a right to due process and indefinite suspension should be used rarely and only after all due process has been exhausted and there is still no resolution to the case.  However that is not how bishops generally exercise this power to simply withdraw faculties.  It is extremely rare, so as to be non-existent, where another synodal bishop contradicts the acts of a brother bishop, so there is no recourse for most priests who have been wrongly removed.

Also the zero tolerance policy established for the sexual abuse of children and youth does not apply to accusations by adult men or women, however, that is the policy that has been exercised against Father Corapi.

There's loads more to it and if you had the patience to read through ALL of those awful emails on the Corapi site you'd find some excellent essays on the canonical situation with the bishop and his religious organization.  It's not really an order with a superior, but an association which answers to a local bishop.

In fact SOLT has been looking for a more friendly location since it is well known in the diocese of Corpus Christi that the current bishop is not at all fond of the group and has caused them troubles in the past.  Father Corapi just happens to present yet another excuse to move against the association.  Also most people do not realize that Father Corapi lived out the erimetic life in SOLT and you cannot treat his vocation in SOLT as you would a monk whose vocation is to a place and specific community as with the Benedictines, for example.

So much of the ranting and raving on that site is just plain ignorance and prelest on the part of those who judge in abject ignorance, refusing to hear anything that does not fit their own "imaginings".

It's disgusting to me.  I've known too many good priests who have been shoved off to no man's land, I suppose.  It is horrifying when you begin to see the realities of it.

I keep telling Orthodox listeners that it is not the pope one should fear but the power of the bishop, which is, too often, exercised above or outside of the spirit of the law and also the most precise letter of the law though they do have that power...to do what they see fit.   It's like an "escape clause" and they exercise it first rather than last.

When they do not care to follow what Rome has to say they simply close their ears and eyes.  That's how it works in real life.  Eventually justice will catch up...but too often there are many bodies dead on the field before the war is over.

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Re: Update on Father Corapi
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2011, 05:11:30 PM »
I didn't see it above, what is "SOLT?"  Society of (something)?
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