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« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2011, 09:28:19 PM »

I do know though that Fr. Rose certainly did not appreciate RC's very much and even went so far to call us "graceless' and "deceptive".  Why then should I, as a striving to be good RC, listen to anything uttered from his lips and give it credibility in my own life?
Yeah, I know what you mean. But not all Orthodox are that harsh.
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« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2011, 09:54:42 PM »

Volt, no offense but I can obviously tell that you come from a Protestant (Probably fundamentalist) Backround.  You defiantly tend to have a viewpoint that goes like "world bad/ God good/ nothing in between".
I believe the world is good but it has a deadly illness. We should enjoy what we can but know that the virus is everywhere and extremely contagious. Sure we can try to give "therapy" via doing good but we must never think that this is a cure, it's only for temporary "quality of life improvement" (that might result in the salvation of others), and there can always be a relapse.

God will bring the cure someday, so we know that the patient can never be written off as dead, but until then we can never be absolutely confident that contact with the patient won't get us sick. We need to constantly wash our hands, wear breathing masks, etc. In other words, we can't be as free as we would if the patient were healthy, and this is where askesis comes in.
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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2011, 10:02:16 PM »

Custody of the mouth is far more important than custody of the eyes.
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2011, 10:13:43 PM »

Custody of the mouth is far more important than custody of the eyes.
To expand on that: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." (Matthew 15:11)

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« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2011, 10:30:10 PM »

Then for a more in-depth study of it "Nihilism:The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age"

It is my duty to point out this is not an in-depth study of anything except for perhaps the hodge-podge criticisms of era obviously misunderstood by a single man.

I will not refrain from pointing this out.

I'm not sure if I would place much stock in anything written by the ex Buddhist beatnick, turned Orthodox Monk, Eugene Rose.  He did espouse some pretty strange views during his short life on Earth, some of which were condemned by many EO theologians as neo gnostic during the formers lifetime.  Also the monastery he was affiliated with has certainly has had its ups and downs over the years.  I remember reading their literature some time ago which basically trashed all "canonical" Orthodox bodies as not being as "pure" as the mystical monks of Platina and their "guru" followers.  It just seems to me that Fr Rose may have not entirely shed his previous Eastern mysticism when he converted, but just adapted that thinking to an Orthodox ascetic mindset and worked from there to spread his theology. 

Being an RC, it really isn't much of my business to speculate too much about a mystic in another faith tradition.  I do know though that Fr. Rose certainly did not appreciate RC's very much and even went so far to call us "graceless' and "deceptive".  Why then should I, as a striving to be good RC, listen to anything uttered from his lips and give it credibility in my own life?
You mean, Blessed Serpahim? Care to take back the slander against him?

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« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2011, 12:55:22 AM »

I'm right behind you Andrew.  Blessed Fr. Seraphim has been greatly misunderstood by their pre-conceived notions.  He knew more about the Orthodox faith because of his previous experiences.  I've never read anything that sounded like non-Orthodox explanations.  If I did, my warning signal would go off.  But, the RC views are like Defcon 1.
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« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2011, 01:21:16 AM »

Then for a more in-depth study of it "Nihilism:The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age"

It is my duty to point out this is not an in-depth study of anything except for perhaps the hodge-podge criticisms of era obviously misunderstood by a single man.

I will not refrain from pointing this out.

I'm not sure if I would place much stock in anything written by the ex Buddhist beatnick, turned Orthodox Monk, Eugene Rose.  He did espouse some pretty strange views during his short life on Earth, some of which were condemned by many EO theologians as neo gnostic during the formers lifetime.  Also the monastery he was affiliated with has certainly has had its ups and downs over the years.  I remember reading their literature some time ago which basically trashed all "canonical" Orthodox bodies as not being as "pure" as the mystical monks of Platina and their "guru" followers.  It just seems to me that Fr Rose may have not entirely shed his previous Eastern mysticism when he converted, but just adapted that thinking to an Orthodox ascetic mindset and worked from there to spread his theology. 

Being an RC, it really isn't much of my business to speculate too much about a mystic in another faith tradition.  I do know though that Fr. Rose certainly did not appreciate RC's very much and even went so far to call us "graceless' and "deceptive".  Why then should I, as a striving to be good RC, listen to anything uttered from his lips and give it credibility in my own life?
You mean, Blessed Serpahim? Care to take back the slander against him?

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Has he been glorified by any canonical Orthodox Church?  If not then why should I regard him as blessed?  He certainly didn't think I or my kind were such.  I know that many Orthodox hold that he had some questionable opinions on certain issues.  Will this possibly be a hindrance to his future glorification by any local Orthodox Church (If it hasn't already happened)?
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« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2011, 01:24:04 AM »

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For whatever reason, amid the hyena den I grew up in, etiquette and manners were held in high regard.

Hey guys less than 40 years of age, a question for example, no googling:

When opening a door for a woman, when is the only time that it is proper to pass through the door before her?

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I'm not a guy less than 40, but my guess is a revolving door?


Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2011, 01:27:09 AM »

Volt, no offense but I can obviously tell that you come from a Protestant (Probably fundamentalist) Backround. You defiantly tend to have a viewpoint that goes like "world bad/ God good/ nothing in between".
I believe the world is good but it has a deadly illness. We should enjoy what we can but know that the virus is everywhere and extremely contagious. Sure we can try to give "therapy" via doing good but we must never think that this is a cure, it's only for temporary "quality of life improvement" (that might result in the salvation of others), and there can always be a relapse.

God will bring the cure someday, so we know that the patient can never be written off as dead, but until then we can never be absolutely confident that contact with the patient won't get us sick. We need to constantly wash our hands, wear breathing masks, etc. In other words, we can't be as free as we would if the patient were healthy, and this is where askesis comes in.

Yeah, but I don't hear too many Catholics (Or Orthodox) Say things like "we are Babylon and will fall" or whatever along those lines.  I agree with you in the concept of man as tainted by sin, but I don't subscribe to the concept that sin makes the world a bad place that has to be purged and destroyed in some future cataclysm.  Catholics preffer to view Christ second coming not as the "end" of the World, but rather as it's renewal and rebirth.  He is coming to make all things new.  
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« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2011, 01:32:34 AM »

Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
Maybe you have been hanging around with the wrong men.
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2011, 01:40:56 AM »

Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
Maybe you have been hanging around with the wrong men.

That was someone else's comment. I'm on my iPad and I can't scroll down lower in the posts box. I thought I had deleted everything I wanted to. Guess not.
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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2011, 01:46:20 AM »

Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
Maybe you have been hanging around with the wrong men.

That was someone else's comment. I'm on my iPad and I can't scroll down lower in the posts box. I thought I had deleted everything I wanted to. Guess not.
My remark, then, would not apply to you at all. It only applies to a person who had such an idea.
 
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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2011, 04:06:16 AM »

Volt, no offense but I can obviously tell that you come from a Protestant (Probably fundamentalist) Backround. You defiantly tend to have a viewpoint that goes like "world bad/ God good/ nothing in between".
I believe the world is good but it has a deadly illness. We should enjoy what we can but know that the virus is everywhere and extremely contagious. Sure we can try to give "therapy" via doing good but we must never think that this is a cure, it's only for temporary "quality of life improvement" (that might result in the salvation of others), and there can always be a relapse.

God will bring the cure someday, so we know that the patient can never be written off as dead, but until then we can never be absolutely confident that contact with the patient won't get us sick. We need to constantly wash our hands, wear breathing masks, etc. In other words, we can't be as free as we would if the patient were healthy, and this is where askesis comes in.

Yeah, but I don't hear too many Catholics (Or Orthodox) Say things like "we are Babylon and will fall" or whatever along those lines.  I agree with you in the concept of man as tainted by sin, but I don't subscribe to the concept that sin makes the world a bad place that has to be purged and destroyed in some future cataclysm.  Catholics preffer to view Christ second coming not as the "end" of the World, but rather as it's renewal and rebirth.  He is coming to make all things new.  
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1 John 1:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

I agree the world will be made new and then endure forever, but it's pretty darn "old" here in the present.
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« Reply #58 on: June 18, 2011, 07:15:22 AM »

Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
Maybe you have been hanging around with the wrong men.

Answer the question.

It ain't hanging out. I've been able to see since birth.
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« Reply #59 on: June 18, 2011, 09:26:41 AM »

Custody of the mouth is far more important than custody of the eyes.

Excellent point!
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« Reply #60 on: June 18, 2011, 09:37:13 AM »

Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
Maybe you have been hanging around with the wrong men.

Answer the question.

It ain't hanging out. I've been able to see since birth.

There's no question to answer. I didn't make the "men are pretty much mindless" comment. I didn't delete part of someone's else's comment when posting. It was a mistake, that's all.

Even if you choose to just meet guys through church anything church-related or through friends (as I do), it's no guarantee they won't turn out to be bad dating material, forget about bad husband material.
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« Reply #61 on: June 18, 2011, 09:44:35 AM »

I believe the world is good but it has a deadly illness. We should enjoy what we can but know that the virus is everywhere and extremely contagious. Sure we can try to give "therapy" via doing good but we must never think that this is a cure, it's only for temporary "quality of life improvement" (that might result in the salvation of others), and there can always be a relapse.

The world was made good but because of the Fall even nature has become corrupted.  So how can the world be good now?  Everything is corrupted.  Sounds to me like you just want to make excuses for enjoying the flesh and ignoring the spiritual understanding of the state of our corrupted souls. 

that has to be purged and destroyed in some future cataclysm.  Catholics preffer to view Christ second coming not as the "end" of the World, but rather as it's renewal and rebirth.  He is coming to make all things new. 

[/quote]1 John 1:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.[/quote]

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« Reply #62 on: June 18, 2011, 12:40:53 PM »

Men are pretty much mindless anymore. Probably always were.
Maybe you have been hanging around with the wrong men.

Answer the question.

It ain't hanging out. I've been able to see since birth.

There's no question to answer. I didn't make the "men are pretty much mindless" comment. I didn't delete part of someone's else's comment when posting. It was a mistake, that's all.

Even if you choose to just meet guys through church anything church-related or through friends (as I do), it's no guarantee they won't turn out to be bad dating material, forget about bad husband material.

A few people ain't good with the nesting quotes. The question wasn't directed toward you.
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« Reply #63 on: June 18, 2011, 04:21:07 PM »

Volt, no offense but I can obviously tell that you come from a Protestant (Probably fundamentalist) Backround. You defiantly tend to have a viewpoint that goes like "world bad/ God good/ nothing in between".
I believe the world is good but it has a deadly illness. We should enjoy what we can but know that the virus is everywhere and extremely contagious. Sure we can try to give "therapy" via doing good but we must never think that this is a cure, it's only for temporary "quality of life improvement" (that might result in the salvation of others), and there can always be a relapse.

God will bring the cure someday, so we know that the patient can never be written off as dead, but until then we can never be absolutely confident that contact with the patient won't get us sick. We need to constantly wash our hands, wear breathing masks, etc. In other words, we can't be as free as we would if the patient were healthy, and this is where askesis comes in.

Yeah, but I don't hear too many Catholics (Or Orthodox) Say things like "we are Babylon and will fall" or whatever along those lines.  I agree with you in the concept of man as tainted by sin, but I don't subscribe to the concept that sin makes the world a bad place that has to be purged and destroyed in some future cataclysm. Catholics preffer to view Christ second coming not as the "end" of the World, but rather as it's renewal and rebirth.  He is coming to make all things new.  
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Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.
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1 John 1:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

I agree the world will be made new and then endure forever, but it's pretty darn "old" here in the present.

Yes, I've heard these Bible quotes thrown around before.  Much of what the Bible says however is like a fog and we need the ship of the Church and its compass of magisterial to guide us through it.  I still preffer to listen to the advice given by my spiritual director and the Church authorities he answers to instead of just reading scripture passages and making a private interpretation about their meaning and applying it to my own life.
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« Reply #64 on: June 18, 2011, 04:34:51 PM »

Guess we're at an impasse then. Since I reject the Pope though, it's kind of hard for me to take seriously your claim that I'm a sad little misanthrope who needs a new imagination, nor your criticism of the Church Fathers.
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« Reply #65 on: June 18, 2011, 04:50:15 PM »

Guess we're at an impasse then. Since I reject the Pope though, it's kind of hard for me to take seriously your claim that I'm a sad little misanthrope who needs a new imagination, nor your criticism of the Church Fathers.

Unfortunately my own dim view of Protestantism make it hard for me to take you very seriously.  All you Prots have is the Bible to go on and that can be interpreted in many, many ways.  The Fathers may have been good for their times, but ours are different and we need a living magisterium of the Vatican to guide us and not faith in ancient books and dead words.  

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THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

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« Reply #66 on: June 18, 2011, 04:58:47 PM »

There's no question to answer. I didn't make the "men are pretty much mindless" comment. I didn't delete part of someone's else's comment when posting. It was a mistake, that's all.

Even if you choose to just meet guys through church anything church-related or through friends (as I do), it's no guarantee they won't turn out to be bad dating material, forget about bad husband material.
True. But not all men are mindless though. I am sure that you can think of a few places where a woman could meet a good man with education.
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The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible...

crikey if its all down to one bloke The Pope to say which parts are true and not true that makes me think thas a huge amount of pressure for him poor sod and also it makes it easier if theres not a consensus of people, for him to get it way wrong sometimes. Wouldn't want his job na uh.
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THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible...

crikey if its all down to one bloke The Pope to say which parts are true and not true that makes me think thas a huge amount of pressure for him poor sod and also it makes it easier if theres not a consensus of people, for him to get it way wrong sometimes. Wouldn't want his job na uh.

No system of government is perfect (Even Church ones).  To me, its the best we have so far.  It hasn't steered either me or any RC I know in a bad direction for sure.
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« Reply #69 on: June 18, 2011, 05:06:59 PM »

Guess we're at an impasse then. Since I reject the Pope though, it's kind of hard for me to take seriously your claim that I'm a sad little misanthrope who needs a new imagination, nor your criticism of the Church Fathers.

Unfortunately my own dim view of Protestantism make it hard for me to take you very seriously.  All you Prots have is the Bible to go on and that can be interpreted in many, many ways.  The Fathers may have been good for their times, but ours are different and we need a living magisterium of the Vatican to guide us and not faith in ancient books and dead words.  

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece

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Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible...
You do realize that makes you essentially at the whims of a mortal man, right? What would you do if someone who held the doctrines of John Shelby Spong became Pope and promulgated such ex cathedra, go back to the "dead letters" in order to refute him?

FWIW I do not any longer consider myself a sola scripturist. I believe in the Laurentian Canon (Many Prots would say this makes me a sola scripturist, anyway. I say they're smoking crack). The only thing stopping me from going Orthodox is my uncertainty that things like Real Presence, veneration, Holy Penance, etc. are properly included under the heading, "always, everywhere, and by all."
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« Reply #70 on: June 18, 2011, 05:10:18 PM »

Guess we're at an impasse then. Since I reject the Pope though, it's kind of hard for me to take seriously your claim that I'm a sad little misanthrope who needs a new imagination, nor your criticism of the Church Fathers.

Unfortunately my own dim view of Protestantism make it hard for me to take you very seriously.  All you Prots have is the Bible to go on and that can be interpreted in many, many ways.  The Fathers may have been good for their times, but ours are different and we need a living magisterium of the Vatican to guide us and not faith in ancient books and dead words.  

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece

October 5, 2005

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible...
You do realize that makes you essentially at the whims of a mortal man, right? What would you do if someone who held the doctrines of John Shelby Spong became Pope and promulgated such ex cathedra, go back to the "dead letters" in order to refute him?

FWIW I do not consider myself a sola scripturist. I believe in the Laurentian Canon (Many Prots would say this makes me a sola scripturist, anyway. I say they're smoking crack). The only thing stopping me from going Orthodox is my uncertainty that things like Real Presence, veneration, Holy Penance, etc. are properly included under the heading, "always, everywhere, and by all."

We Rc's believe that the Pope cannot error on faith and morals so the chances of that happening are slim to none.  If it should occur though that s Spong type were elected Pope then either God would have to strike him down dead or else God would permit him to reign, but not teach heresy Ex Cathedra.

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« Reply #71 on: June 18, 2011, 05:14:24 PM »

Ok. I hope for your sake that God would.
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« Reply #72 on: June 18, 2011, 05:29:02 PM »

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THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible...

crikey if its all down to one bloke The Pope to say which parts are true and not true that makes me think thas a huge amount of pressure for him poor sod and also it makes it easier if theres not a consensus of people, for him to get it way wrong sometimes. Wouldn't want his job na uh.

No system of government is perfect (Even Church ones).  To me, its the best we have so far.  It hasn't steered either me or any RC I know in a bad direction for sure.

Until now....lolOl
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« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2011, 06:11:27 PM »

Then for a more in-depth study of it "Nihilism:The Root of the Revolution of the Modern Age"

It is my duty to point out this is not an in-depth study of anything except for perhaps the hodge-podge criticisms of era obviously misunderstood by a single man.

I will not refrain from pointing this out.

I'm not sure if I would place much stock in anything written by the ex Buddhist beatnick, turned Orthodox Monk, Eugene Rose. 

 For starters, Robb, it's Fr. Seraphim Rose.  Secondly, he was never a Buddhist nor a beatnik.  He did his masters (and walked away from academe just shy of achieving his PhD.) in Asian languages.  His interests did include Buddhism, but it was Taoism that attracted him most.  As for the Beatnik accusation, hardly.  Fr. Seraphim shunned drugs and rock-n-roll, preferring instead Classical music.  If you're keen to not embarrass yourself again, you might wish to read his biography Father Seraphim Rose: His Life and Works.
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« Reply #74 on: June 19, 2011, 01:40:10 AM »

Ok. I hope for your sake that God would.

For my sake and a billion other people as well. 
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