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« on: June 07, 2011, 06:37:50 PM »

The last issue of my school's newspaper did a couple of articles on the future of the planet when our generation is in control.  They spoke about illegal narcotics being legalized, same sex marriage and almost everything under the sun except abortion and euthanasia being socially and legally exceptable in about 15 years, when we're all adults over 20.  It was pretty scary to read, especially for a conservative teen like myself.  They ended with:  "This is the generation that's neither moral nor conservative."

I'm interested to know your thoughts on this.  As a young person, I've not lived through the "pendulum" in society and government my teachers have spoken about- the theory that views swing from conservative to liberal every few years. 

It's also scary that, by most of my peers, religion is looked down upon greatly.  I'm the weird one that goes to Church, and some people don't like me because of this.  We even have a clique of kids who like the ideas of Karl Marx and Socialism.  There are even large debates in social studies classes over things such as God being mentioned in the pledge of allegiance and on printed money.  It's as though your a stupid dummy if your opinion isn't 100% politically correct, all the time.

I won't get any more into this, but I'm curious for your opinions. 

What do you think about this?  I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2011, 06:54:19 PM »

I think that their views will start to change on a lot of things once they actually have some responsibility.  For instance, I know someone who was fairly liberal...until he got a job and realized all the taxes that were being imposed on him, and how much less money he was taking home than he thought he was making.  Suddenly a lot of things like universal health care and government regulation of business started to not seem so apealing to him.

I have a feeling that as young people start to leave home and college and their nice little reality-less bubble, they will probably start to realize something is missing from their lives, since they now actually have quiet periods.  This will lead to one of three things:

1.) A religious search which, God willing, will lead to the Orthodox Church;
2.) A massive amount of focus on work to the exclusion of much else (in retirement, having followed this method of ignoring the whole in your soul, you may wind up behind door number one); or
3.) A massive amount of drug use and/or alcohol use and partying in all of your spare time.

Method number three may lead to loss of job and relationships, which may result in you rethinking your path and choosing doors number one or two.  As well, you will likely realize that no one wants to party with you any more once you are 30 and still go to night clubs, especially if you are still doing this when you are 40 - either may lead to rexamination of life, and doors one or two.

Method number one will - if you pick a good religion - lead to a lack of support for things like gay marriage and method number two will lead to too little free time in which to advocate for them. 

Also, a lot of people change in significant ways when they marry and start a family.
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2011, 11:03:25 PM »

St. Anthony the Great said, "A time will come when men will go mad, and they will see those who are not mad and say to them, 'You are mad. You are not like us.'"

This, however, I think has played out in many ages, but it is quite evident today. As the Psalmist says, "If the foundations be destroyed, what shall the righteous do?" The foundations, those things which most human societies have taken for granted for centuries, are being hacked apart. But this is not a cause for pessimism and despair. It is still very much God's world. And who shall oppose him? Who or what shall separate us, or anyone else, from the love of Christ? Nothing happens without God's allowance. And God and his saints have not at all abandoned the world, but are always active, even more now than every before. We do not see it happen before our eyes, but God's grace is evident everywhere, blatant for those who seek it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2011, 10:45:01 AM »

Marx would not imagine what is today.

Don't you understand that this is the empire of management?
We project what we think is good, and it becomes. They say "We project equality: homosexual rights"
Suddenly it becomes. Once it becomes, we say that we are, what we wanted to become and we have to become what we are.
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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2011, 10:44:03 AM »

Making morality a political issue cheapens it, I think, but in a representative democracy, it's one more talking/selling point candidates on both sides use to get votes.

Perhaps with good reason we worry about the decline in societal morality and the shifting of values, but Christian dogma and moral teaching have always been the same and indivisible. Even when it seemed to agree with us, the world has never truly been in agreement with the Church, even when countries were all inhabited and ruled by Orthodox Christians. Constant vigilance and faithfulness have always been necessary for Christians. There have always been false moralities masquerading for Christian morality, and a lot of discernment is needed to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2011, 11:25:53 PM »

Enough of the politics on this thread! Until such time that the moderators choose to move part or all of this thread to Politics, this thread is still on the Public Forum and will be moderated as such. Anyone, therefore, who continues to engage in discussion of politics on this thread will receive a formal warning.

Besides, this is the Other Topics section, where serious and heated debate is discouraged, anyway.




EDIT: This thread WAS on the Other Topics board when I posted this.
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2011, 12:43:26 AM »

American society is growing increasingly nihilistic. Values and morals are dying quickly. Nietzsche and Thomas Jefferson would be proud.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2011, 03:02:29 AM »

Things were always lousy in life and an age of near perfection, if ever attained by any society, was fleeting.

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There were few atheists, but also not so many orthodox Christians. “Many Georgians rarely went through a church porch between their christening and burial. Yet practically everyone, in his own fashion, had faith. Much of it was a fig leaf of Christianity covering a body of inherited magic and superstition, little more than Nature worship (the polite, doctrinally correct form of this was known as ‘natural religion’). But everyone had his own vision of a Creator, of a ‘place’ in Heaven, and convictions of Good and Evil, reward and punishment.” One might say that the typical 18th-century Englishman was “spiritual but not religious”.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2011, 10:43:04 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2011, 11:58:41 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2011, 12:01:57 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2011, 12:22:15 PM »

The last issue of my school's newspaper did a couple of articles on the future of the planet when our generation is in control.  They spoke about illegal narcotics being legalized, same sex marriage and almost everything under the sun except abortion and euthanasia being socially and legally exceptable in about 15 years, when we're all adults over 20.  It was pretty scary to read, especially for a conservative teen like myself.  They ended with:  "This is the generation that's neither moral nor conservative."

I'm interested to know your thoughts on this.  As a young person, I've not lived through the "pendulum" in society and government my teachers have spoken about- the theory that views swing from conservative to liberal every few years. 

It's also scary that, by most of my peers, religion is looked down upon greatly.  I'm the weird one that goes to Church, and some people don't like me because of this.  We even have a clique of kids who like the ideas of Karl Marx and Socialism.  There are even large debates in social studies classes over things such as God being mentioned in the pledge of allegiance and on printed money.  It's as though your a stupid dummy if your opinion isn't 100% politically correct, all the time.

I won't get any more into this, but I'm curious for your opinions. 

What do you think about this?  I'm interested to hear your thoughts.
The founder of Methodism, John Wesley, made an interesting observation about how religious movements change over time in the modern world. He said that religious movements often start off with little wealth or power, but they are very much on fire regarding their religious beliefs and practices, very dedicated, very committed, very disciplined, very ascetic even (or, one could say, they start off very "conservative").

However, over decades and generations, the dedication, commitment, discipline, and asceticism leads to an increase in worldly success, money, and power. The future generations -- who are born in middle-class or upper-class wealth -- no longer see any reason for the old religion, and they are less dedicated, committed, disciplined, and ascetic than their parents and grand-parents.

And then a new revival starts, and process continues.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2011, 12:56:52 PM »

lulz at people who think the CPUSA presents a serious challenge to capital
It would if it could gather enough members. Things do not have to be the way they are but they can change for better or worse if  a sufficient number of people want it. It's all that simple.

What a lovely expression of romantic idealism... [edited to remove the really political stuff]
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2011, 01:07:03 PM »

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I posted something political but then saw the warning not to do that here anymore..so I erased it.

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2011, 01:27:41 PM »

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I posted something political but then saw the warning not to do that here anymore..so I erased it.

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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2011, 03:40:19 PM »

The political commentary has been moved to Politics.

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=37038.0

I am aware that many people think of the liberal/conservative spectrum only in political terms, but it's really much more comprehensive than that. This spectrum is something that affects society as a whole, together with all its elemental components. It is therefore possible to discuss morality and conservatism without discussing politics, so I would like to see that discussion engaged and supported on what remains of this thread after I split off the blatantly political debate. I recognize that some tangential discussion of politics may be unavoidable in a discussion like this, but as long as the discussion focuses merely on an academic understanding of the nature of government and various societal and economic philosophies, and as long as no one takes one side or the other in a political debate, such tangential discussion of politics will be permitted, though under close moderation.

Be advised, though, that any flagrant political debate such as the one I split off this thread will be met with formal warnings, since we have a Politics board set up for the very purpose of political debate and you all know better than to debate politics here on the Public Forum. If you don't yet have access to the private Politics board but would like to read and post there, please send Fr. Chris a private message requesting that he allow you access to the Private Forum. Thank you.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2011, 11:57:06 PM »

Greetings in that Divine and Most Precious Name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Every generation is the same, Death is the constant which unifies our common human experience.  Each generation inherently searches for the End or aspects of the decline, because we are outwardly manifesting in a macrocosm our own individual, internal, microcosmic apprehensions of our own death which is our each own End.  The reality of the matter is that the End is only a Beginning in Christ our Lord!

I was reading some John Chrysostom and I thought of this thread..

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Nevertheless even when I look at these calamities I do not abandon the hope of better things, considering as I do who the pilot is in all this; not one who gets the better of the storm by His art, but calms the raging waters by His rod. But if He does not effect this at the outset and speedily, such is His custom, He does not at the beginning put down these terrible evils, but when they have increased, and come to extremities, and most persons are reduced to despair, then He works wondrously, and beyond all expectation, thus manifesting His own power, and training the patience of those who undergo these calamities. Do not therefore be cast down
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