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« on: June 12, 2011, 05:23:51 PM »

It looks like an interesting book by Fr. John Behr, but at $240 I wonder how many people can afford it:


http://www.amazon.com/Against-Diodore-Theodore-Oxford-Christian/dp/0199569878

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The Case Against Diodore and Theodore

This is a landmark work, providing the first complete collection of the remaining excerpts from the writings of Diodore of Tarsus and Theodore of Mopsuestia together with a ground-breaking study of the controversy regarding the person of Christ that raged from the fourth to the sixth century, and which still divides the Christian Church. Destroyed after their condemnation, all that remains of the dogmatic writings of Diodore and Theodore are the passages quoted by their supporters and opponents. John Behr brings together all these excerpts, from the time of Theodore's death until his condemnation at the Second Council of Constantinople (553) - including newly-edited Syriac texts (from florilegium in Cod. Add. 12156, and the fragmentary remains of Theodore's On the Incarnation in Cod. Add. 14669) and many translated for the first time - and examines their interrelationship, to determine who was borrowing from whom, locating the source of the polemic with Cyril of Alexandria.

On the basis of this textual work, Behr presents a historical and theological analysis that completely revises the picture of these 'Antiochenes' and the controversy regarding them. Twentieth-century scholarship often found these two 'Antiochenes' sympathetic characters for their aversion to allegory and their concern for the 'historical Jesus', and regarded their condemnation as an unfortunate incident motivated by desire for retaliation amidst 'Neo-Chalcedonian' advances in Christology. This study shows how, grounded in the ecclesial and theological strife that had already beset Antioch for over a century, Diodore and Theodore, in opposition to Julian the Apostate and Apollinarius, were led to separate the New Testament from the Old and 'the man' from the Word of God, resulting in a very limited understanding of Incarnation and circumscribing the importance of the Passion. The result is a comprehensive and cogent account of the controversy, both Christological and exegetical together, of the early fifth century, the way it stemmed from earlier tensions and continued through the Councils of Ephesus, Chalcedon, and Constantinople II.

I'm hoping it will eventually be available on Kindle and Nook, at a much reduced price.   Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2011, 08:21:03 PM »

LOL, I was wondering what this thread could possibly be about.

Yeah, I want this book. I'd always read that ol' Teddy most likely got the shaft. It's interesting to see someone arguing the other side.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 08:40:55 PM »

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It looks like an interesting book by Fr. John Behr, but at $240 I wonder how many people can afford it:


http://www.amazon.com/Against-Diodore-Theodore-Oxford-Christian/dp/0199569878

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The Case Against Diodore and Theodore

This is a landmark work, providing the first complete collection of the remaining excerpts from the writings of Diodore of Tarsus and Theodore of Mopsuestia together with a ground-breaking study of the controversy regarding the person of Christ that raged from the fourth to the sixth century, and which still divides the Christian Church. Destroyed after their condemnation, all that remains of the dogmatic writings of Diodore and Theodore are the passages quoted by their supporters and opponents. John Behr brings together all these excerpts, from the time of Theodore's death until his condemnation at the Second Council of Constantinople (553) - including newly-edited Syriac texts (from florilegium in Cod. Add. 12156, and the fragmentary remains of Theodore's On the Incarnation in Cod. Add. 14669) and many translated for the first time - and examines their interrelationship, to determine who was borrowing from whom, locating the source of the polemic with Cyril of Alexandria.

On the basis of this textual work, Behr presents a historical and theological analysis that completely revises the picture of these 'Antiochenes' and the controversy regarding them. Twentieth-century scholarship often found these two 'Antiochenes' sympathetic characters for their aversion to allegory and their concern for the 'historical Jesus', and regarded their condemnation as an unfortunate incident motivated by desire for retaliation amidst 'Neo-Chalcedonian' advances in Christology. This study shows how, grounded in the ecclesial and theological strife that had already beset Antioch for over a century, Diodore and Theodore, in opposition to Julian the Apostate and Apollinarius, were led to separate the New Testament from the Old and 'the man' from the Word of God, resulting in a very limited understanding of Incarnation and circumscribing the importance of the Passion. The result is a comprehensive and cogent account of the controversy, both Christological and exegetical together, of the early fifth century, the way it stemmed from earlier tensions and continued through the Councils of Ephesus, Chalcedon, and Constantinople II.

I'm hoping it will eventually be available on Kindle and Nook, at a much reduced price.   Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 08:47:16 PM »

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Lord grant that we see a mass market for such works!
Well, I'm of two minds about that. Popularity tends to water down the quality when it comes to scholarship  laugh.
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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 09:33:22 PM »

I prefer this prayer:

Lord grant that someone will give me a grant to buy scholarly Orthodox works!
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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2011, 09:47:24 PM »

Hi Salpy,

You may want to revise the title of this thread to:

'Theodore and Diodore for rich people (or people like EkhristosAnesti who have extremely cheap annual membership to awesome libraries that are in the habit of acquiring the best and latest of theological publications--particularly those by Orthodox Christian authors)'.

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« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2011, 09:59:38 PM »

The library near where I live just has really old yucky copies of stuff like Stephen King novels.
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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2011, 11:10:15 PM »

The library near where I live just has really old yucky copies of stuff like Stephen King novels.

All of the libraries in my county that participate in the inter-library exchange program (which includes almost every library in the county, even high school ones, the community college one, and the libraries of the few private colleges in the county) have a total of like 5 Orthodox books...and none anywhere similar to this
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« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 11:24:24 PM »

The library near where I live just has really old yucky copies of stuff like Stephen King novels.

All of the libraries in my county that participate in the inter-library exchange program (which includes almost every library in the county, even high school ones, the community college one, and the libraries of the few private colleges in the county) have a total of like 5 Orthodox books...and none anywhere similar to this
Same. It's pretty lame. One day I was doing business in D.C. and went to the B&N by...I think it was Dupont? Don't remember. But what a jackpot! There were a grand total of 5 Orthodox books. I bought 3 of them.  Wink I know the Religion bookshelves in our local bookstores inside and out. The Catholic and Orthodox section is pretty much 100% Catholic.

I hate that some of the books are so expensive. I hope that more people will be converting Orthodox books to Kindle format -- good Kindle format. Some of them that are up there are complete doozies (spelling and formatting errors, random symbols in the text). Still, I'm downloading them because it's better than nothing.
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« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 11:53:56 PM »

D.C. has a good Barnes and Noble.  The one I normally go to (rarely to buy, Amazon is a much better price, and I am very price conscious) is in the only mall in Prescott, and it has no Orthodox books, not even the OSB.
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