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cyrillic alphabet help
« on: June 12, 2011, 01:56:17 AM »
I can't seem to remember the differences between Б, в, and б

what is the difference in pronunciation?
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2011, 03:00:43 AM »
Б and б are the same letter. pronounced like 'b'

в is pronounced like 'v'

At least that's how it is in Russian. Don't know about other Slavic languages.

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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 04:24:44 AM »
Б and б are the same letter. pronounced like 'b'

в is pronounced like 'v'

At least that's how it is in Russian. Don't know about other Slavic languages.

Interesting!  Thanks for this. 
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 08:46:24 AM »
Б is the capital letter and б is the small one.
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 09:17:09 AM »
Now, I'm having confusion with the letter ы.  When I hear it spoken, it almost sounds like "eey" or something like that.  What sound does it make? 

Thanks for your help!
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 09:20:04 AM »
Its sound is close to the i in milk. Like i with a twist.  :)
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 09:25:22 AM »
Its sound is close to the i in milk. Like i with a twist.  :)

that makes sense!!!!!!  Thanks so much!

Next question: The last "о" in a word seems to be pronounced like "aaa", is this the case?
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011, 09:33:34 AM »
Some unstressed vowels are pronounced differently to vowels in the emphasised syllable. So a stressed o is a clear o, an unstressed o is more like a muffled a. A stressed e is a clear e, an unstressed e is ye.
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 09:41:27 AM »
Thanks so much for the help! 

Lastly, can you please shed some light on the difference between Б and Ъ?
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2011, 09:53:39 AM »
The first is pronounced b (as in boy), the second is known as the "hard sign", a silent letter which determines the pronunciation of the consonant that preceded it. This letter remains in Church Slavonic and in pre-revolutionary Russian, but is no longer used in modern Russian.
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2011, 09:57:06 AM »
The first is pronounced b (as in boy), the second is known as the "hard sign", a silent letter which determines the pronunciation of the consonant that preceded it. This letter remains in Church Slavonic and in pre-revolutionary Russian, but is no longer used in modern Russian.

Oh, I see.  Thank you so much!  I have books from pre-revolutionary Russia and trying to make out the words is such a mind-twister, and now I know why!
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2011, 10:03:21 AM »
Wait until you tangle with the old Slavonic script - something like 40 letters in the alphabet, and a multitude of diacritics and abbreviations! That'll keep you out of mischief.  ;D :laugh:
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2011, 11:04:43 AM »
Wait until you tangle with the old Slavonic script - something like 40 letters in the alphabet, and a multitude of diacritics and abbreviations! That'll keep you out of mischief.  ;D :laugh:

Indeed.  One of the reasons I bought the Old Orthodox Prayer Book was to help in reading Cyrillic script based on the Slavonic I already knew from transliterated Latin letters.  I was totally unprepared for abbreviations.  Thankfully I found a pdf file somewhere that has all the major ones (and some minor!) written out in full.

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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #13 on: July 05, 2011, 02:04:38 PM »
Some unstressed vowels are pronounced differently to vowels in the emphasised syllable. So a stressed o is a clear o, an unstressed o is more like a muffled a. A stressed e is a clear e, an unstressed e is ye.

In Russian pronunciation only.
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2011, 02:17:43 PM »
In Russian pronunciation only.

And not even everywhere in Russia. The region I do fieldwork in does not show this shift of unstressed /o/ > /a/.

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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 03:01:28 PM »
Wait until you tangle with the old Slavonic script - something like 40 letters in the alphabet, and a multitude of diacritics and abbreviations! That'll keep you out of mischief.  ;D :laugh:

Indeed.  One of the reasons I bought the Old Orthodox Prayer Book was to help in reading Cyrillic script based on the Slavonic I already knew from transliterated Latin letters.  I was totally unprepared for abbreviations.  Thankfully I found a pdf file somewhere that has all the major ones (and some minor!) written out in full.

Can we get this PDF?

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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 10:47:03 PM »
Wait until you tangle with the old Slavonic script - something like 40 letters in the alphabet, and a multitude of diacritics and abbreviations! That'll keep you out of mischief.  ;D :laugh:

Indeed.  One of the reasons I bought the Old Orthodox Prayer Book was to help in reading Cyrillic script based on the Slavonic I already knew from transliterated Latin letters.  I was totally unprepared for abbreviations.  Thankfully I found a pdf file somewhere that has all the major ones (and some minor!) written out in full.



Those abbreviations are interesting, I get a lot of them and then some make me go, um, I have to figure that out..  it's not like there is an slavonic language school near me lol

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« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2011, 12:59:03 PM »
Here you are.
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« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2011, 01:19:09 PM »
Michal beat me to it.  That's it.
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Re: cyrillic alphabet help
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2011, 01:20:23 AM »
You all have been so helpful!!!

I have one more question:  What is this song about?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nswGj4j5xes&feature=channel_video_title

Is it Russian or Belorussian?  I see a logo on the top left that I believe says "Belarus"

Thanks!
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2011, 07:12:35 AM »
It's from the Belarusian TV but it's in Russian.
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