The Spirit is descended!
We must remember that the Pope probably did not personally choose the locations he visited in Croatia. These were probably already selected by either someone in the Vatican or by the Croatian government. Maybe the Pope did want to go to the Jasnovac site, but it was forbidden for him to do so or disapproved of by Croat officials.Then he doesn't go.
Croatia is still a pretty devout and catholic country, even in this day and age of secularism. It would be unwise and imprudent for the Pope or the Vatican to insult or "throw" Croatia under the bus in order to appear PC in the eyes of the world. Besides the Serbs tend to hate all Catholics irregardless of how many apologies the Vatican makes for past wrongs and how much money is given to heal past offenses. For a Serb (Like so many peoples in Eastern Europe and the Balkans) A Catholic = Croat and nothing will ever change this.Except conversion (I know a number of Croatian who embraced Orthodoxy).
BTW, I am in no way in favor of the genocidal actions of the Croatian Pavlevic regime. The Croats also persecuted and drove out Italians in Istria and Fiume. Their barbarity is still remembered and frowned upon in Italy and was even the cause of some recent unflattering remarks by an Italian politician towards the Croats. I just feel that the Vatican is being realistic in remembering whose side their bread is buttered on.So, when he smiles, we know what is behind the smile.
Hm mm, so your saying that the Pope (The current one I imagine as well as his predecessors) Are all readily anti Serb (Or Orthodox) and desire the extermination of the Serbian people? That's more then a bit on the extreme side, even for a seasoned polemicist like yourself.
You were the one who said they know whose side their bread is buttered on, and it seems not to bother them if it is buttered with a bloody knife.
After the Croats declared their independence and started reviving Ustashe symbols, renaming streets and squares after Ustashe murderers, er, "heros" and banning Cyrillic-Germany and the Vatican were the first to extend international recognition. The Serbs in the Krajina had no reason to wait around to find out where that was going.
I doubt that you could blame Pope Pius XII for the crimes that the Ustashi committed against the Serbs anymore then you could blame all Orthodox for the crimes that nations like Russia have committed against Catholics.
The Croats acted independently of the Vatican during the war and had no Papal blessings for their actions. If anything Pope Pius tried to distance the Church from the fascist Ustashi government. If individual Catholic priest and bishops were supportive of the fascist then that was their problem and not that of the RCC collective.
So yet again the great petrine office, which is supposed to guide all aright and settle all disputes, the thing we Orhtodox are told we are "lacking"-once again is shown to be impotent when the theory hits reality.
Pat. Pavle of blessed memory managed to ban clergy involvement in the rogue militias, defrock clerics who defied the ban, issue blanket excommunications for those engaged in genocide in the name of Orthodoxy, suspend baptisms of converts (to ensure that it wasn't being used for ethnic cleansing), etc. He would have been more effective, had not Milosovic inherited the hamstringing of the Serbian Patriarchate by the Croat Tito.
Also, why must almost all Orthodox feel compelled to be so pro- Serb all the time?
Did not the supposedly devout Serbs also persecute Orthodox Romanians, Macedonians, and Albanians (The latter is far more recent then the World War II era).
besides the Macedonians, no (in the case of the Romanians, Serbs are the only neighbors they get along with, and they are fiercely pro-Serb). And in the Macedonian case, there is a quesiton of how much it was self defense.
Why do these persecuted Orthodox groups never get any respect, yet the Serbs are treated as some type of sacred race despite all their troublemaking down through the years?
The only trouble making the Serbs are known for is the trouble they gave the Turks. That's why the Austrians settled them in the Krajina.
Also, I have no idea who these so called "Croat Orthodox" are, but I suspect that they are descended from Byzantine rite Catholics who crossed over to Orthodoxy in order to appease the anti Catholic Marshall Tito.
At 1054, only the King Peter Krešimir IV (who was a usurper) and the upper nobility favored the Vatican-it consolidated their power-where every one else looked East.
Given that Tito ripped Macedonia from the patriarchate and other atrocities, he was no friend of the Serbian Patriarchate, so I don't know what appeasement they would hope to give the Croat-Slovene (the two nationalities in Yugoslavia associated with the Vatican).
I have great respect for Orthodoxy, but I just can't imagine any Croat converting to a religion which is so identified with the Serbs considering the great rivalry between them.
I don't have to imagine it, as I've seen it. I have to admit, that I did ask one (this was before the breakup of Yugoslavia, btw) at his chrismation if he was now a Serb, and got an affirmative negative.