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Bp Paul Ballester, the Roman Catholic Franciscan who converted to Orthodoxy before the Vatican II and was later made an Orthodox bishop, has been mentioned before on this list and a fairly lengthy article by him concerning his conversion can be found here:

http://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2009/08/why-i-abandoned-papism-by-bishop-paul.html

A new book has just been published in English which appears to contain a more lengthy account, together with footnotes.  This book can be read online at:

http://www.oodegr.com/english/biblia/Ballester/perieh.htm

And it can be purchased for $10 from:

http://saintnicodemos.org/products/MyExodus.php

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 04:12:53 PM »
An "exodus" implies that he had been in "slavery". ::)
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 05:49:25 PM »
Well, some people might interpret the Pope's powers that way...
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 05:52:56 PM »
An "exodus" implies that he had been in "slavery". ::)

Does ring a bit grandiose.

But maybe it was the publisher's decision.

At least journey occurs nowhere in the title.
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 06:07:27 PM »
I've read the link to the bio on him and honestly can't understand what his complaints were?  Why is it unreasonable to assume that St. Paul, at least acknowledged St Peters supremacy over him, even if it wasn't exercised at all by the latter?   

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 06:18:47 PM »
At least journey occurs nowhere in the title.

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 07:09:46 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2011, 07:17:15 PM »
Well, some people might interpret the Pope's powers that way...
And those people are absurd. I was free from the "powers" of the Roman Pontiff for 18 years of my life as a Protestant Christian. I entered the Roman Catholic Church on my own accord, and despite all the anti-Catholic indoctrination I had received as a Protestant in the Holiness Movement.

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2011, 07:32:08 PM »
An "exodus" implies that he had been in "slavery". ::)
Not really. One might infer it though.

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2011, 10:00:22 AM »
I think we are falling into a hole here, both Orthodox and Roman Catholic alike. Questing the orthodoxy of our mutual Saints is dangerous and a slippery slope indeed. I'm not sure that was what was intended, but the graphic response it elicited certainly shows that a raw nerve was touched.

That, and the topic of this thread is a book which has not yet been discussed.
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2011, 10:53:52 AM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

If you decide not to use this title, let me know.  I might need it; after all, every convert needs to have written at least one book within five years of joining the Church
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2011, 11:14:43 AM »
Discussion regarding Orthodox and Roman Catholic views on St. Peter have been split off to this thread.  Please keep this thread on topic about the book in the OP and its author.  Thank you.
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2011, 05:52:11 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

If you decide not to use this title, let me know.  I might need it; after all, every convert needs to have written at least one book within five years of joining the Church
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2011, 06:44:46 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

Reminds me of Bruce Lee's book, "Tao of Jeet Kune Do."

Which means "the way of the way of the intercepting fist."

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2011, 08:10:13 PM »
How about this for a title:

The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way Over the River of Catholic Lies and Through the Wood of Protestant Heresy to the Lord's House
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2011, 11:44:58 AM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

How about this for a title:

The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way Over the River of Catholic Lies and Through the Wood of Protestant Heresy to the Lord's House

I was going to suggest The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way Home, but that doesn't seem very interesting after reading your suggestion.
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2011, 12:19:33 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

How about this for a title:

The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way Over the River of Catholic Lies and Through the Wood of Protestant Heresy to the Lord's House

I was going to suggest The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way Home, but that doesn't seem very interesting after reading your suggestion.

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2011, 02:03:54 PM »
So, I guess nobody is interested in reading beyond the title then?

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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2011, 07:47:41 PM »
So, I guess nobody is interested in reading beyond the title then?

I wouldn't assume that people didn't read beyond the title. I know I read the whole article.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2011, 10:43:58 PM »
It's interesting to me to hear Orthodox Christians point out differences and disagreements between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, because I find that if Catholics point out differences and disagreements between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, Orthodox are offended.
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2011, 10:46:47 PM »
P.S.

because I find that if Catholics point out differences and disagreements between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, Orthodox are offended.

Granted, some of those cases are a matter of Catholics presenting the differences in an offensive manner.
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2011, 12:03:16 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

If you decide not to use this title, let me know.  I might need it; after all, every convert needs to have written at least one book within five years of joining the Church
Or at minimum to have a blog dedicated solely to the process of converting.  ::)
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #23 on: June 07, 2011, 12:18:33 PM »
Hmm, hold on, I have to go delete an account with blogspot a website...
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2011, 12:23:45 PM »
P.S.

because I find that if Catholics point out differences and disagreements between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, Orthodox are offended.

Granted, some of those cases are a matter of Catholics presenting the differences in an offensive manner.

And Orthodox doing the same thing, sadly. I think it is quite possible to point out differences dispassionately without resorting to emotionalism and hyperbole. The way in which we talk about faith matters is extremely important. I don't think we often realize the damage we do to others when we go about it the wrong way. We turn people off to any understanding at all because of our faulty methods.
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« Reply #25 on: June 16, 2011, 03:45:45 PM »
So, I guess nobody is interested in reading beyond the title then?
I read the whole thing. Very moving. Why was he assassinated? Was it related to his anti-papist stance?

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« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2011, 03:52:49 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

If you decide not to use this title, let me know.  I might need it; after all, every convert needs to have written at least one book within five years of joining the Church
Or at minimum to have a blog dedicated solely to the process of converting.  ::)

I think some folks could really do an excellent job of blogging about anything in life including "conversion".

That being said 99.99% can't.

Like most inquirer talk at my parish or what I read here of inquirers, the blogs really aren't about a "journey toward Orthodoxy" but "an angry or sad trudge away from x".
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2011, 03:54:12 PM »
The Spirit is descended!
It's interesting to me to hear Orthodox Christians point out differences and disagreements between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, because I find that if Catholics point out differences and disagreements between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, Orthodox are offended.
Can you give some examples? as I've never heard such a thing.
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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2011, 02:00:32 PM »
So you're saying I should probably ditch the working title of my conversion book, The Journey Down the Road to the Path of The Orthodox Way?

If you decide not to use this title, let me know.  I might need it; after all, every convert needs to have written at least one book within five years of joining the Church
Or at minimum to have a blog dedicated solely to the process of converting.  ::)

I think some folks could really do an excellent job of blogging about anything in life including "conversion".

That being said 99.99% can't.
That's my experience.

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Re: "My Exodus from Roman Catholicism" new book by Bp Paul Ballester
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2011, 02:51:04 PM »
Polemical titles are nothing new in Orthodoxy--some of the literature from the 1600s has titles that many today would consider "over the top."  I have to admit that sometimes I enjoy cleverly-constructed polemical titles, even if I am one of the least confrontational people around :)

That being said, the title of this book cannot compare to the experts of catchy and polemical titles, the Synod in Resistance. For instance:

The Heresy of Ecumenism and the Patristic Stand of the Orthodox
“Ecclesiological Ostriches”
Orthodox Catholicity or Papocentric Globalism?

Titles like that make an "exodus from Roman Catholicism" seem rather pedestrian :)

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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2011, 03:41:56 PM »
So, I guess nobody is interested in reading beyond the title then?
I read the whole thing. Very moving. Why was he assassinated? Was it related to his anti-papist stance?

I do not think the reason has been determined, but I have heard there is some veneration for him as a martyr. Assassination by papist agents (whether or not the pope supported it or not) is not new. The same thing happened to Patriarch Cyril Lukaris of blessed memory, whose character was later assassinated as well through the continuing libel that he was a Calvinist. He was, instead, a defender of Orthodoxy against papism, and also anathematized Calvinism and the confession regrettably ascribed to him.
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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2011, 04:06:44 PM »
So, I guess nobody is interested in reading beyond the title then?
I read the whole thing. Very moving. Why was he assassinated? Was it related to his anti-papist stance?

I do not think the reason has been determined, but I have heard there is some veneration for him as a martyr. Assassination by papist agents (whether or not the pope supported it or not) is not new. The same thing happened to Patriarch Cyril Lukaris of blessed memory, whose character was later assassinated as well through the continuing libel that he was a Calvinist. He was, instead, a defender of Orthodoxy against papism, and also anathematized Calvinism and the confession regrettably ascribed to him.

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Great history there!!