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« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2011, 09:28:30 PM »

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to veer off course. Tongue

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« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2011, 10:24:24 PM »

Well, it didn't take long for this thread to veer off course. Tongue

We need a map.
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« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2011, 10:55:24 PM »

^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
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« Reply #48 on: June 11, 2011, 11:16:34 PM »

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Nice Photoshop. Ratzinger would never wear the tiara. He's a modernist.
LOL. I was waiting for someone else to notice the incongruity.
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« Reply #49 on: June 11, 2011, 11:18:13 PM »

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^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
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« Reply #50 on: June 11, 2011, 11:30:28 PM »

The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Never said as much. However Protestant clergy have been accepted and ordained immediatly as clergy, which is what this dialogue has been about.
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« Reply #51 on: June 11, 2011, 11:56:15 PM »

The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Never said as much. However Protestant clergy have been accepted and ordained immediatly as clergy, which is what this dialogue has been about.

Not the start:
...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy?  Would it be a formality?
Which was answering this:
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  Smiley
Many Protestant clergy, even Baptist, have been ordained nearly immediately after being received.  But they have to be ordained: no Orthodox Church has ever recognized Protestant "orders." It is not, for instance, like Protestants' marriages being received when they are. (In fact, the Antiochian archdiocese requires converts to be remarried with the Orthodox service before ordination).
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2011, 12:04:24 AM »

The Spirit has descended!
^ Right.  So it would be a formality.  I'm not implying that formalities have no meaning, but it's not as if his time in the laity would be substantial (or much over 24hrs).
In most juristictions anyway, I suppose I'd expect him to be ordained to the priesthood shortly after. Although my former bishop, IIRC, was an Anglican priest who converted, and had to reattend seminary before he was ordained Orthodox.
No Anglican/episcopalian cleric has ever been received into Orthodoxy  as having orders.
Never said as much. However Protestant clergy have been accepted and ordained immediatly as clergy, which is what this dialogue has been about.

Not the start:
...but if Abp. Rowan was received into Orthodoxy, it would be as a layman.

Why would this be, if others are allowed to make guided transitions into the clergy?  Would it be a formality?
Which was answering this:
I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  Smiley
Many Protestant clergy, even Baptist, have been ordained nearly immediately after being received.  But they have to be ordained: no Orthodox Church has ever recognized Protestant "orders." It is not, for instance, like Protestants' marriages being received when they are. (In fact, the Antiochian archdiocese requires converts to be remarried with the Orthodox service before ordination).

I said dialogue, not conversation.  Wink
Certainly the conversation started otherwise.
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« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2011, 07:01:39 AM »

Nice Photoshop. Ratzinger would never wear the tiara. He's a modernist.

What do you mean by "modernist" and what makes you think His Holiness is one? I've understood that his Catholicism is fairly traditional.
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2011, 09:55:37 AM »

Was reading about internet "memes" and found this:

http://www.zazzle.com/europe_according_to_the_vatican_poster-228241982411366618

Europe according to the Vatican... Kind of funny...

Warning, it is not politically correct, and may offend some.

Love it!
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« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2011, 12:36:30 PM »

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  Smiley
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  Wink

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.

Nice job exposing your total ignorance of the dogma of papal infallibility. Time Magazine or the New York Times or the ravings of a guy at the water cooler are not the best sources for clearing up this ignorance.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2011, 06:32:17 PM »

I know that according to the Orthodox diptychs of the Catholic Church, he is not, but he is a bishop of Rome, if we are going to use that title for all ecclesiastical communities. Like we call the Episcopalian bishop of Chicago "a bishop of Chicago." Just not a bishop of Chicago like the 3(?) Orthodox bishops of Chicago (we have more, but the others have their titular sees elsewhere).

According to your Ecumenical Patriarch, His All-Holiness Bartholomew, Benedict XVI is "His Beatitude, the Bishop of Rome." Not "layman of the Vatican", as you would prefer to call him. If you have a problem with that, take it up with His All-Holiness, not with me.  Smiley
He's not infallible, so they can throw out anything he says whenever what he says is inconvenient.  Wink

Given that he is leader of only a small percentage of Orthodox Christians, what he says, though valuable, is not the final word.

An interesting comment you make though, your pope is supposedly infallible yet Catholics are always throwing out anything he says that is inconvenient.

Nice job exposing your total ignorance of the dogma of papal infallibility. Time Magazine or the New York Times or the ravings of a guy at the water cooler are not the best sources for clearing up this ignorance.  Roll Eyes

You're awfully optimistic.

I don't know what Time Magazine or the New York Times say about Papal Infallibility; but I did spend a lot of time on the Catholic Answers Forum (catholic.com), and you would not believe the amount of ignorance among Catholics concerning P.I.
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« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2011, 07:13:47 PM »

I love these maps.  Grin

Me too. It almost always says more about the author than anyone else though.
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