If anything the majority of EO's might mitigate these fast officially in the near future (Considering the vast majority of EO's have ceased to regularly observe them).
Not gonna happen.
Although some might consider it minimalism, it makes for more sense to have fasting rules which, although simpler are more doable for people in this day and age then it is to cling to antiquated and medevil rules which are unrealistic and overly Platonic.
There's nothing unrealistic about the Orthodox fasting rules- some people keep the fast rules quite well. For the rest of us, the challenge is humbling and the struggle can be fruitful. There's no struggle in eating fish on Fridays.
As for "medieval"... modernity leaves us with even fewer excuses from fasting than our medieval forebears, with the many varied, wholesome, and delicious fast-friendly ingredients readily available to us.
As for "overly Platonic"... do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Yes, I wouldn't have said "overly Platonic" if I didn't know what I was talking about.
I'm sure there are some OC's who devoutly observe the rigorous fasting rules, it's just that they are a small minority compared to the majority who don't keep them.
Would not it be better to just mitigate the fasting rules of your Church to something that's more realistic and doable for those alive today instead of clinging to something that was institute in a different time and a different world?
Laugh if you will at my RCC's weak fasting and abstinence rules, but at least the majority of our faithful can comply with them without disrupting their natural lives to any great degree. They aren't easy to achieve as you may think so either. On Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, I am usually starved by midnight after only being allowed one full meal and two collations. It's not an easy task to master for us who live in a world which does not emphasis any sort of self denial. Heaven only knows that I've almost been tempted to break under the strain of our RC Lenten fast, but thankfully I always managed to hold off on the hot dogs till after midnight.
One of the main points of fasting is to disrupt our culinary lives to a great degree. I am a firm believer that if you can't eat a vegan meal twice a week, barring medical issues, there really is something wrong with you and, God forgive me, you (which let me be clear I'm using in the most general sense) are lazy, selfish fool who can't be bothered to exert a little effort for the sake of bringing your body in line with your soul.
Well, that's your opinion. My Church thinks and teaches otherwise. The Vatican believes that by mitigating the fasting rules, more people will be able to follow them. Of course you can do more if you wish, but that's something that's entirely on your plate. The RCC doesn't force any type of spiritual progression onto her members. We believe in free will and any type of spiritual development on the part of an individual must come from within them and not due to forced coercion or fear of damnation for not having done so.
Really? It's still technically a mortal sin to not do some sort of asectic fast on Fridays. Unconfessed mortal sin leaves one soul in danger of damnation.
Also I would seriously have to argue about the healthiness of keeping such severe and rigorous fasting as perscribed by Orthodoxy. Modern science tells us that the human body needs the proteins that such foods as meats, fish, and dairy products give us on a regular basis. Is it right then to deprive ourselves and especially our children of these vital nutrients because of an attempt to cling to an antiquated way of spiritual development that some people came up with in the first millennium? Look at the so called "Vegans". They are known to suffer from all kinds of deficiencies and malnutrition due to their supposedly health lifestyle. Is this what we want for ourselves?
I understand the attachment of some to fasting and its supposed benefits. I just can't help but feel that the type of fasting and self denial that is proscribed by the OC is not healthy for a normal human being to endure. My Church obviously feels the same way since she long ago did away with such rigorous style of self discipline as the ancient fasting rules were.
Yep, all these successful athletes (these ones, too...including a 4-time Mr. Universe!) suffer from all sorts of deficiencies and malnutrition.
There are far more omnivores who suffer from far more deficiencies and diet-related illnesses than vegans and vegetarians. If you suffer from malnutrition from a vegan diet, you're simply doing it wrong. And that's on the person, not on the diet itself.
Nice try, but, once again, an EPIC FAIL.
Why should I believe you. Your obviouisly junked up in support of your religion so your going to try and give me all kinds of supposed "facts' in order to support what your claiming. I'd rather use my God given reason to deduce that abstaining from most of the major food groups for half the year is unhealthy for a person to do. Believe what you will, but this sounds much more realsitic to me then the evidence youve cited.
I see. You're the one who just made a blanket generalization about those on vegan diets for which I provided more than a few examples of people who completely demolish your supposed "fact" about how vegans are all malnourished and somehow deficient and I'm the one at fault here. Nice.
The obesity epidemic in this country is proof positive that we as Americans do not know how to eat right. The oveconsumption of red meat (the wiki article on red meat
is replete with reference to scientific studies, so go there and actually click on the sourced links so you dont take wiki's word for it) has been linked to all sorts of health problems.
Let me be clear again: I love meat. I eat it with gusto. But I also know that eating a vegetarian/vegan diet helps me to not only maintain a healthy body weight and a better appreciation of the meat/dairy I do consume, but it's also helped me spiritually. Food is a gift from God to me now. I know
that trying my best (for I do often fail in the oil and dairy dept) to follow the fasts has helped me be a better Christian.
You do what you want and may God bless you in that. But I'll not stand idly by while you toss out wicked and broad generalizations about people, about their diet, and about the Church's discipline in regards to fasts and abstinence.