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prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« on: June 04, 2011, 10:02:20 AM »
So, how do you know when to prostrate in daily prayers? At church it's kind of obvious because everyone moves somewhere open in the church so there's room and well the fact that everyone's prostrating...

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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2011, 10:14:54 AM »
Usually prostrations are done in private with the Jesus Prayer using the prayer rope. We cross ourselves while we say the first part (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God) and prostrate saying the second part (have mercy on me the sinner).
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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2011, 10:51:24 AM »
Prostrations stop with Vespers on Friday evening and start again with Vespers on Sunday evening.

The Jordanville Prayer Book is helpful for when to do prostrations at private home prayer

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2011, 11:04:47 AM »
Prostrations stop with Vespers on Friday evening and start again with Vespers on Sunday evening.

The Jordanville Prayer Book is helpful for when to do prostrations at private home prayer

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

Even more helpful in this regard is the Old Rite Prayer Book

http://www.amazon.com/Drevnepravoslavnyi-molitvennik-Orthodox-prayer-book/dp/0961706201
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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2011, 11:30:42 AM »
Prostrations stop with Vespers on Friday evening and start again with Vespers on Sunday evening.

The Jordanville Prayer Book is helpful for when to do prostrations at private home prayer

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

Even more helpful in this regard is the Old Rite Prayer Book

http://www.amazon.com/Drevnepravoslavnyi-molitvennik-Orthodox-prayer-book/dp/0961706201


I would prefer to learn and follow the contemporary customs of my Russian Orthodox Church rather than search out traditions we may not follow. I am not sure if it is useful or humble to separate myself from what my fellow parishioners are doing?

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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2011, 01:21:29 PM »
Prostrations stop with Vespers on Friday evening and start again with Vespers on Sunday evening.

The Jordanville Prayer Book is helpful for when to do prostrations at private home prayer

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

Even more helpful in this regard is the Old Rite Prayer Book

http://www.amazon.com/Drevnepravoslavnyi-molitvennik-Orthodox-prayer-book/dp/0961706201


I would prefer to learn and follow the contemporary customs of my Russian Orthodox Church rather than search out traditions we may not follow. I am not sure if it is useful or humble to separate myself from what my fellow parishioners are doing?

The original question, from 'casisthename', concerned when to do bows and prostrations during daily prayers (I presume at home). If one takes the time to delve into the question of when bows and prostrations are appointed, one will discover that, in this matter, the differences between Old Rite and New Rite are not significant, except that, in the New Rite, the rules are more honored in the breach, than in the observance. This is due, in part, because the new rite prayer books do not provide the same clear rubrics that the Old Rite books do (the ones in English, at least).

No one is suggesting that poor 'casisthename' should ostentatiously perform bows and prostrations for edification of his fellow worshippers at all the appointed places in the public divine services, as detailed in the Old Rite books or in St. Ignatius Brianchaninov's book, The Arena. On the other hand, it would be a good thing for pastors to preach on this subject from time to time, and to appoint a few knowledgeable and respected fellow-parishioners to be the leaders in this regard, since it is my experience that in most new rite parishes, no one has a clue when, or even how, to do bows and prostrations, and it is pretty much a free for all.

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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2011, 02:19:31 PM »
Prostrations stop with Vespers on Friday evening and start again with Vespers on Sunday evening.

The Jordanville Prayer Book is helpful for when to do prostrations at private home prayer

http://www.myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

Even more helpful in this regard is the Old Rite Prayer Book

http://www.amazon.com/Drevnepravoslavnyi-molitvennik-Orthodox-prayer-book/dp/0961706201

The Old-Orthodox Prayer Book certainly clarifies the prostration schedule for private morning and evening prayers very well.

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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2011, 02:24:43 PM »
On the other hand, it would be a good thing for pastors to preach on this subject from time to time, and to appoint a few knowledgeable and respected fellow-parishioners to be the leaders in this regard, since it is my experience that in most new rite parishes, no one has a clue when, or even how, to do bows and prostrations, and it is pretty much a free for all.

This seems incredibly reasonable.
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Re: prostrations-yes, another silly question-
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2011, 02:27:33 AM »
reasonable-yes.
probable-no.

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2011, 02:34:24 AM »
reasonable-yes.
probable-no.

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