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Epistle to the Romans
« on: June 14, 2004, 12:53:20 PM »
Is there a good source out there collecting commentary by the Fathers on the epistle to the Romans? I am specifically looking for commentary on justification.

I checked ccel and did not find much (or, at least it was not clearly presented).

Of course, there is John Chrysostom and Origen (though I could not find his commentary on-line). Are there others who wrote extensively on Romans?

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Re:Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2004, 03:58:13 PM »
I just got that new commentary on Romans published by Concilliar Press.  I'll look through it and see how frequent the patristic commentary is and get back to you.
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2013, 04:38:19 PM »
Bump.
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2013, 05:41:12 PM »
Best I can do...

Ancient
- St. John Chrysostom - Homilies on Romans
- Origen - Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans (In 2 Volumes for $80 from CUA Press)
- Ambrosiaster - Commentaries on Romans and 1-2 Corinthians (starting at $29 at amazon)
- Ancient Christian Commentary On Scripture: Romans (starting at $20 at amazon, there is an index of authors cited/quoted that is viewable at amazon)

Modern
- Lawrence R. Farley - The Epistle to the Romans: A Gospel For All ($14 at amazon)
- Archbp. Dmitri Royster - St Paul's Epistle to the Romans: A Pastoral Commentary ($19 at amazon)
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2013, 08:36:03 PM »
Use these links too an online Bible site(the best I have seen), scroll down below the parallel verse list, you will find several commentaries on that verse.

http://bible.cc/romans/4-25.htm

http://bible.cc/romans/5-18.htm
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2013, 08:52:27 PM »
Blessed Theodoret of Cyrus has a commentary on Romans (as well as just about every other book of the Bible). I looked for it online, but couldn't find it accept for purchase.
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2013, 12:51:05 PM »
Greg, in addition to the commentaries already cited by others above, you might want to take a look at J Patout Burn's commentary on Romans in The Church's Bible collection.  I have not examined the volume, but the purpose of the series is to introduce readers to the exegesis of the Fathers.

Among contemporary commentaries, take a look at N. T. Wright's "Paul for Everyone" commentary on Romans.  Wright also has a longer commentary on Romans in the New Interpreters Bible commentary series. 

You mention wanting something specific to read on the Apostle Paul and justification.  Take a look at my recent blog series on this subject, beginning with "Eastern Orthodoxy and the Apostle Paul."  Unfortunately, Orthodox theologians and scholars have not written very much about justification, preferring instead to skip right to theosis.  This, I think, is unfortunate--especially given the fact that justification is an important theme for the Apostle.  (Hint: when reading the Epistle to the Romans, read chapters 1-4 through the lens of chapters 5-8.)   

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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 01:32:26 PM »
Wow, it has been nine years since I first posted this topic.

Since then, N.T. Wright has helped shape my understanding of Romans. Ironically, I am about to start reading Karl Barth's Epistle to the Romans.

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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 01:44:19 PM »
Wow, it has been nine years since I first posted this topic.

Since then, N.T. Wright has helped shape my understanding of Romans. Ironically, I am about to start reading Karl Barth's Epistle to the Romans.

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LOL. I didn't even notice the date for the original article.  I just saw it near the top of recent topics.  Glad to hear that you have found Wright so helpful. 

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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 04:09:21 PM »
Does NT Wright's stuff go into detail on explaining how Romans does not support Anselmian atonement?
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 06:39:21 PM »
Does NT Wright's stuff go into detail on explaining how Romans does not support Anselmian atonement?


I have not gone back through my Wright books to see what he says about atonement, but you may find of interest this article by him:  "The Cross and the Caricatures."  And here is a recent article by Wright on justification:  "Justification: Yesterday, Today and Forever."

Hope this helps.

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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2013, 02:17:15 AM »
I seriously cannot believe NT Wright isn't Orthodox at this point.

Something political must be holding him up.
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 11:12:55 PM »
I'm reading the book of Romans now, and I had a few questions.

In Chapter 7, St. Paul talks about being at war in the flesh. In verses 17 and 20, when talking about doing what he "wills not to do," he repeats the phrase, "It is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me." What does this mean? Why is "sin" personified here?

And I also have a question that ties in with justification. What is the predestination that is acknowledged in 8:30?

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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 08:06:01 PM »
Go here http://biblehub.com/romans/7-17.htm

Scroll down and you will see many commentaries for this verse, and you can find many good commentaries for any verse at this Bible site.

My thoughts are that it is the flesh being separate from the soul that is weak and sins, the soul knows better but cannot control the flesh .
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2013, 09:21:42 AM »
I have started to blog on the Epistle to the Romans.  I invite you to join me in reading and reflecting on this great letter by the Apostle Paul.

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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2013, 10:14:21 AM »
I have started to blog on the Epistle to the Romans.  I invite you to join me in reading and reflecting on this great letter by the Apostle Paul.

Why you are using a contemporary non-Orthodox authors instead of Patristic ones? Aren't there any available?
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2013, 11:46:27 AM »
Why you are using a contemporary non-Orthodox authors instead of Patristic ones? Aren't there any available?

As far as I know, no competent Orthodox biblical scholar has published a commentary on Romans that is available in English.  Who do you recommend?

I am and will be consulting St John Chrysostom's homilies on Romans, but so far I am not finding him at all helpful, at least as an interpreter of Paul.  
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Re: Epistle to the Romans
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2013, 12:27:08 PM »
Why you are using a contemporary non-Orthodox authors instead of Patristic ones? Aren't there any available?

As far as I know, no competent Orthodox biblical scholar has published a commentary on Romans that is available in English.  Who do you recommend?

I am and will be consulting St John Chrysostom's homilies on Romans, but so far I am not finding him at all helpful, at least as an interpreter of Paul.  

I just thought there might be some specific reason for using these authors instead of Orthodox ones but I understand the hardship of linguistic barrier. The only Orthodox author I know is Fr. Mikael Sundqvist who published his dissertation about St. Paul some years ago. Here is some information in English.