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« Reply #45 on: May 09, 2012, 07:50:08 PM »

People single out rap/hip-hop too much. Rock/Metal is just as 'dangerous' and profane, if not even worse. Going back further, all of the ancient tales and epics are no better either. The Odyssey is about violence, getting wealth, sleeping with women and drinking just like most modern music. Going even further, many people misunderstand hip-hop culture. If you actually listened to the lyrics and think of what led to this, you would get a better perspective. Hip-Hop is the minorities' music that started out when American slaves could not afford instruments so they had to use their lyricism as their instrument. Political controversy in music has almost always been led by hip-hop because hip-hop is where minorities express their rage against society, touch upon these issues and albeit at times just unleash their anger in a strange, gonzo sort of fashion like NWA. Look up songs like 'Brenda's Got a Baby' and 'Trapped' by Tupac or 'Fight the Power' by Public Enemy and 'F*** Da Police' by NWA.
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« Reply #46 on: May 09, 2012, 09:33:26 PM »

People single out rap/hip-hop too much. Rock/Metal is just as 'dangerous' and profane, if not even worse. Going back further, all of the ancient tales and epics are no better either. The Odyssey is about violence, getting wealth, sleeping with women and drinking just like most modern music. Going even further, many people misunderstand hip-hop culture. If you actually listened to the lyrics and think of what led to this, you would get a better perspective. Hip-Hop is the minorities' music that started out when American slaves could not afford instruments so they had to use their lyricism as their instrument. Political controversy in music has almost always been led by hip-hop because hip-hop is where minorities express their rage against society, touch upon these issues and albeit at times just unleash their anger in a strange, gonzo sort of fashion like NWA. Look up songs like 'Brenda's Got a Baby' and 'Trapped' by Tupac or 'Fight the Power' by Public Enemy and 'F*** Da Police' by NWA.

I agree about some rock/metal songs being just as bad or worse.....I dont think the Slaves used rap but rather Black Spiritual Hymns. I would say that rap/hip-hop in its clean/morally ok versions (not the much of the crap you hear on todays radio), is a form of artistic expression and has origins as far back as the West African Griots Storytellers.
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« Reply #47 on: May 09, 2012, 10:04:36 PM »

ALL music made by unspiritual people is dangerous. This includes the Rock N' Roll of the Evangelicals which is obviously wrong. If someone does not experience this then they are on a very low level. We should only listen to spiritual music.
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« Reply #48 on: May 09, 2012, 11:07:21 PM »

ALL music made by unspiritual people is dangerous. This includes the Rock N' Roll of the Evangelicals which is obviously wrong. If someone does not experience this then they are on a very low level. We should only listen to spiritual music.

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« Reply #49 on: May 09, 2012, 11:43:14 PM »

ALL music made by unspiritual people is dangerous. This includes the Rock N' Roll of the Evangelicals which is obviously wrong. If someone does not experience this then they are on a very low level. We should only listen to spiritual music.

like this?? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DO09VDTPyQ

Yes. That is spiritual music and is edifying.
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« Reply #50 on: May 09, 2012, 11:45:21 PM »

ALL music made by unspiritual people is dangerous. This includes the Rock N' Roll of the Evangelicals which is obviously wrong. If someone does not experience this then they are on a very low level. We should only listen to spiritual music.

like this?? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DO09VDTPyQ

Yes. That is spiritual music and is edifying.

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« Reply #51 on: May 09, 2012, 11:51:54 PM »

People single out rap/hip-hop too much. Rock/Metal is just as 'dangerous' and profane, if not even worse. Going back further, all of the ancient tales and epics are no better either. The Odyssey is about violence, getting wealth, sleeping with women and drinking just like most modern music. Going even further, many people misunderstand hip-hop culture. If you actually listened to the lyrics and think of what led to this, you would get a better perspective. Hip-Hop is the minorities' music that started out when American slaves could not afford instruments so they had to use their lyricism as their instrument. Political controversy in music has almost always been led by hip-hop because hip-hop is where minorities express their rage against society, touch upon these issues and albeit at times just unleash their anger in a strange, gonzo sort of fashion like NWA. Look up songs like 'Brenda's Got a Baby' and 'Trapped' by Tupac or 'Fight the Power' by Public Enemy and 'F*** Da Police' by NWA.

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« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2012, 02:23:14 AM »

ALL music made by unspiritual people is dangerous. This includes the Rock N' Roll of the Evangelicals which is obviously wrong. If someone does not experience this then they are on a very low level. We should only listen to spiritual music.

And what defines "spiritual" versus "unspiritual" music?  Perhaps those who are really "on a very low level" are those who cannot spiritualize the vast majority of seemingly worldly songs.
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« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2012, 08:50:13 AM »

By choice, I don't listen to unspiritual/worldly music. It dose me any good.
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« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2012, 02:49:08 PM »

Im listening to Wesley Willis right now.For those who dont know he was an overweight black schizophrenic with an extremely charming childlikeness.His songs are completely idiotic and full of cuss words but its like listening to a charmingly naughty 10 year old.Yet the guy proclaimed to have 3 specific demons.Heres my favorite song of his he wrote about being thrown out of his protestant church.("They Threw Me Out of Church"). <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EZKApT6vC0g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
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« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2012, 02:58:54 PM »

Im listening to Wesley Willis right now.For those who dont know he was an overweight black schizophrenic with an extremely charming childlikeness.His songs are completely idiotic and full of cuss words but its like listening to a charmingly naughty 10 year old.Yet the guy proclaimed to have 3 specific demons.Heres my favorite song of his he wrote about being thrown out of his protestant church.("They Threw Me Out of Church"). <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EZKApT6vC0g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Haha. I remember that guy... specifically the McDonalds song.
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« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2012, 03:04:38 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaoLy7PHwk

This is dangerous music, because it speaks the truth.


hahaha..that made me so happy.
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« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2012, 03:05:24 PM »

Im listening to Wesley Willis right now.For those who dont know he was an overweight black schizophrenic with an extremely charming childlikeness.His songs are completely idiotic and full of cuss words but its like listening to a charmingly naughty 10 year old.Yet the guy proclaimed to have 3 specific demons.Heres my favorite song of his he wrote about being thrown out of his protestant church.("They Threw Me Out of Church"). <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/EZKApT6vC0g" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Haha. I remember that guy... specifically the McDonalds song.


Mcdonalds is the place to rock!
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« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2012, 03:17:42 PM »


Mcdonalds is the place to rock!

McDonalds is definitely forbidden. It is a cesspit of grease, harmful foods, and relies on inhumane treatment of animals.
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« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2012, 03:19:49 PM »


Mcdonalds is the place to rock!

McDonalds is definitely forbidden. It is a cesspit of grease, harmful foods, and relies on inhumane treatment of animals.

But its SOOOOOO good!  Its my 2nd favorite fast food joint only to Chik-fil-a.
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« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2012, 03:22:47 PM »


Mcdonalds is the place to rock!

McDonalds is definitely forbidden. It is a cesspit of grease, harmful foods, and relies on inhumane treatment of animals.

As I suspected Wesley Willis was an agent of the devil....but then he sorta suddenly changes his mind at the end and proclaims that "Mcdonals hamburgers are the worst."
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Mcdonalds is the place to rock!

McDonalds is definitely forbidden. It is a cesspit of grease, harmful foods, and relies on inhumane treatment of animals.
McDonalds doesnt create the hamburger. That is like accusing you of Chicken abuse because of your 2-piece wing and thigh meal you bought.

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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2012, 04:59:24 PM »

Whatever my neighbors are listening to past 12AM. After 3AM it takes on possible dangers of a physical nature.

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« Reply #63 on: May 13, 2012, 12:56:47 PM »

Hey all,

  what kinds of music are spiritually dangerous? 
Rock music. Especially heavy metal, black metal and so on.
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« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2012, 02:32:51 AM »

Pretty sure the most beautiful song created in the last several decades was both metallic and spiritual (seriously). That's my objectively subjective opinion of fact.
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« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2012, 09:59:27 AM »

Pretty sure the most beautiful song created in the last several decades was both metallic and spiritual (seriously). That's my objectively subjective opinion of fact.

Such a great song and record!
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« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2012, 10:03:06 AM »

There is "spiritually dangerous" music in every genre, so we shouldnt single out any particular genre.  I hate when people link heavy music with "evil" music when its the innocent sounding pop garbage that kids listen to on the radio is probably more dangerous than anything. 
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« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2012, 01:04:53 PM »

Anything by Die Antwoord is spiritually damaging...but it is really catchy!
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« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2012, 06:16:48 PM »

There is "spiritually dangerous" music in every genre, so we shouldnt single out any particular genre.  I hate when people link heavy music with "evil" music when its the innocent sounding pop garbage that kids listen to on the radio is probably more dangerous than anything. 

Yup. Dangerous music= crappy music.
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« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2012, 06:45:59 PM »

Go to youtube, and watch "they sold their souls for rock and roll".

It's an amazing documentary.  The full documentary is 10 hours long.  It's a wake up call to the modern Christian about music like no other that I've seen.
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« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2012, 07:00:09 PM »

Go to youtube, and watch "they sold their souls for rock and roll".

It's an amazing documentary.  The full documentary is 10 hours long.  It's a wake up call to the modern Christian about music like no other that I've seen.

You'd think if they sold their soul that the Devil would have given them a better deal. I mean, seriously, have you seen Ozzy? Satan gets them for all of eternity and all the devil could manage to give them was a few good years of partying? He can't even manage to help these guys grow old gracefully--in looks if not in actions?
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« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2012, 07:08:42 PM »

Go to youtube, and watch "they sold their souls for rock and roll".

It's an amazing documentary.  The full documentary is 10 hours long.  It's a wake up call to the modern Christian about music like no other that I've seen.

You'd think if they sold their soul that the Devil would have given them a better deal. I mean, seriously, have you seen Ozzy? Satan gets them for all of eternity and all the devil could manage to give them was a few good years of partying? He can't even manage to help these guys grow old gracefully--in looks if not in actions?

Well he was a liar since the beginning.  I dunno why they did it.  Yes, I've seen him.  He's famous.  His wife is on TV tonight.  His children are famous.  He has tons of money.... but in my opinion he's an absolute mess.

Anyway, it's a great documentary.  Absolutely a must see.   Amazing stuff & history lesson on music as well.   Just watch a few excerpts at least.  If you watch from beginning to end, it is amazing.
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« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2012, 06:31:29 PM »

Go to youtube, and watch "they sold their souls for rock and roll".

It's an amazing documentary.  The full documentary is 10 hours long.  It's a wake up call to the modern Christian about music like no other that I've seen.

You'd think if they sold their soul that the Devil would have given them a better deal. I mean, seriously, have you seen Ozzy? Satan gets them for all of eternity and all the devil could manage to give them was a few good years of partying? He can't even manage to help these guys grow old gracefully--in looks if not in actions?
I could buy Lemmy having maybe made some pact with Satan. Maintaining perfect health while subsisting entirely on bacon, liquor, and narcotics would be difficult to pull of without supernatural aid of some sort.
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