to complain about how we hate Roman Catholics around here.
Hasn't anyone ever suggested a better way to hate Roman Catholics?
Well, personally, I subscribe to the Ice Cream and Donuts til diabetic coma form of hate, but it hasn't caught on yet.
Not to blow my own trumpet, but this little theoretical exercise has turned out pretty much as I predicted in my reply at the beginning of the thread. Note how fast this
...the Roman Catholic Church didn't require the Eastern Orthodox Church to accept our definition of primacy in terms of the role of the Bishop of Rome and didn't require them to embrace the filioque or any of the post-schism doctrines/dogmas of the Roman Catholic Church, would you all be in communion with us?
I never said anything about us "forcing" anything on them, but since they are dogmas they are not optional. They can feel free to embrace them or remain out of communion. I think the fact that these talks have been going on for awhile and there is still no full communion is proof that neither side is willing to budge as much as you think they are. There is such a thing as being overly optimistic..
"If you really loved me you'd quit smoking altogether." - many a poor man's wife. "If you really loved us you'd adopt the filioque and Immaculate Conception and our papal supremacy."- Roman Catholic Ecumenical approach.
Seems to me that all your quotes show is that Wyatt's original question was purely hypothetical.
Perhaps. But it does illustrate a trend that happens once you go beyond the hypothetical, as the plight of the early Byzantine Catholic immigrants to America shows and the strain of the Anglican Ordinate's integration is showing now. For the American BCs things seem to have improved for the moment, but there is always the possibility in the future of a Pope who isn't so kindly inclined.
The hypothetical situation might work in Europe and Asia where the Latin and Eastern churches each have a long history. On our end of the pond I don't foresee things working out quite so harmoniously. America is already the home of cafeteria religion, and the flood of people from one "jurisdiction" to the other would have our bishops and your cardinals fist-fighting at every synod (Roman Catholics coming this way to escape Papal supremacy and the IC, Orthodox going your way for cheeseburgers on Wednesday and fish on Friday).
Really, the only way reunion would work is if the Roman Church dropped ex cathedra
infallibility in favor of ex conciliar
and demoted the IC and filioque to the realm of theologuma
. Because, in the end, Wyatt is quite right- Dogma is not optional and one side or the other has to give. Even in a hypothesis reality must be taken into account, you can't have a bishop who is the supreme authority of the Church only be supreme authority in a self contained area- that's sort of what got us all in this mess to begin with!