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Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« on: May 26, 2011, 05:02:39 PM »
What language is the liturgy usually done in the Antiochian Orthodox Church? Arabic? Greek? Approximately 50% Arabic and 50% Greek? Is there any Greek at all? If so, approximately how much and can you mention a few Greek words that are used?
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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 05:39:38 PM »
What language is the liturgy usually done in the Antiochian Orthodox Church? Arabic? Greek? Approximately 50% Arabic and 50% Greek? Is there any Greek at all? If so, approximately how much and can you mention a few Greek words that are used?

In the Antiochian churches that I have attended in the Southwest and South USA, English was used for the vast majority of the time. Indeed, the Antiochian Archdiocese started the transition from Arabic to English before any of the other jurisdictions. I do not remember any Greek except when
(a) the bishop served (the Greek being "Eis plola eti despota, which is used everywhere I think, and the Arabic being anything that the bishop felt like;
(b) at the Paschal services (to sing Christ is risen in several languages, usually in Englsih, Arabic, Greek and Slavonic); and
(c) as part of the responses to the litanies during the Liturgy--that is to sing "Lord have mercy" in the same languages as "Christ is risen"

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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 05:46:27 PM »
Every Antiochian parish I've been to has been 95%+ English, except for one which had a large number of Middle Eastern immigrants, which was about half English, half Arabic. Greek is used rarely if ever.

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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 07:35:11 PM »
You could end with over 400 different answers for this question. It will always depend on location.
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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 08:03:58 AM »
Ours is mostly English, with the Trisagion hymn and the Kyries in some litanies sung in Arabic and Greek as well as English.

Ours is a convert parish, but this is also typical of other Antoichian parishes I've visited.

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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 08:37:30 AM »
Ours is mostly English (& all parts in English at some time or another) although we rotate with Arabic & Slavonic in the hymn of the Cherubim, Arabic in the Anaphora, Greek & Arabic in the Trisagion, we sing a Dormition hymn almost always in Arabic the rest is almost exclusively English.
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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 09:31:05 AM »
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What language is the liturgy usually done in the Antiochian Orthodox Church? Arabic? Greek? Approximately 50% Arabic and 50% Greek? Is there any Greek at all? If so, approximately how much and can you mention a few Greek words that are used?
Usually the Antiochians are sticklers for doing the DL in the language of the congregation, the amount of Arabic varying from none to maybe over half, depending on the amount of Arab Orthodox (especially immigrants) in the congregation.  In Antioch and Syria things like the Trisagion, the Kyrie Eleison, and some  troparia are often done in Greek, as are refrains alternating with the Arabic.
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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2011, 10:11:24 AM »
In our parish we have very few (2 families I think out of 150) that even have an antiochian background. We have some 10 families who have slavic backgroundsd the rest are good old American "Heinz 57 variety" convert or 2nd generation cradle with convert parents or thrid generation with convert grandparents. We use Greek, Arabic, Church Slavonic, English, Spanish, Inuit, and Kiswahili at various times of the year and in various services.  We sponsor a native Alaskan Priest and have a parishioner who is a missionary in Tanzia which explain our use of Kiswahili and Inuit in the services. On a Normal Sunday we usually hear the "Lord Have Mercy" Prayers in English with Responses in  English, Church Slavonic, Inuit, and Kiswahili.

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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2011, 11:00:17 AM »
In Antioch and Syria things like the Trisagion, the Kyrie Eleison, and some  troparia are often done in Greek, as are refrains alternating with the Arabic.
Does the Byzantine Orthodox Church of Antioch use any 'Syriac' at all?
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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 09:37:12 PM »
My parish uses English, Greek, Arabic and Slavonic.
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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2011, 06:46:27 AM »
Does the Byzantine Orthodox Church of Antioch use any 'Syriac' at all?

Not to my knowledge. Even in villages where Aramaic is the spoken language, the liturgical language is Arabic (the reverse of what is often the situation in Jacobite churches).

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Re: Antiochian Orthodox Liturgy - Language
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2011, 09:50:38 AM »
In Antioch and Syria things like the Trisagion, the Kyrie Eleison, and some  troparia are often done in Greek, as are refrains alternating with the Arabic.
Does the Byzantine Orthodox Church of Antioch use any 'Syriac' at all?


Not that I've ever seen, and that includes the U.S. and Lebanon. In Lebanon, I heard Arabic and Greek, but no Syriac.