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The Message, by Peterson
« on: June 11, 2004, 07:04:37 AM »
Have any of you seen this "Bible" published in 2003 by Peterson? Psalm 1 is shocking - I didn't realize that I was reading it as it was so distorted.

My teacher in Religious Science 160 - has mandated that we read this text for our course. We have to read Deuteronomy, Job, Isaiah, Romans, The Gospel of St. John, and Revelations.

He said that the use of the slang would make many people angry, and that was his purpose in assigning this translation.

It seems that his whole purpose in our class is to shock and destroy the faith of young college students. :o

We have some very vocal and upset muslims in our class also.

Please pray that I will say the proper words - everything I have attempted to say the professor turns against Christianity.

« Last Edit: August 11, 2004, 02:08:41 AM by Maria »
The memory of God should be treasured in our hearts like the precious pearl mentioned in the Holy Gospel. Our life's goal should be to nurture and contemplate God always within, and never let it depart, for this steadfastness will drive demons away from us. - Paraphrased from St. Philotheus of Sinai
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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2004, 07:47:07 AM »
I've seen it, and I can't imagine using it in any sort of educational context.  It's a really s****y "translation".  I haven't gotten angry reading it; I just start to chuckle.  

Nothing beats the ebonics Bible I read a few years ago, though.  No diggity.
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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2004, 04:15:28 PM »
I have the Gospel of Luke in Gullah.  That's interesting...
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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2004, 02:04:05 PM »
Nothing beats the ebonics Bible I read a few years ago, though.  No diggity.

 :o  Out of morbid curiosity, Mor, is a sample of that online?

This Message Bible has been out since at least '95 (The NT and Psalms were the only thing done at the time).  Goes over well with teens, people who think God's "one of the boys" and that God's "down" with them.

Rather disgusting once one gains even a rudimentary knowledge of Greek.
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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2004, 10:16:53 AM »

I can't imagine what educational benefits could be gotten from an extremely inexact, tendentious translation of the Scriptures.  And, if what you've said reflects your professor's attitude, then the class sounds worthless.  Could you withdraw from that course and take it later with a different professor?  What college are you attending?  If this professor is well supported, perhaps you're at the wrong institution.

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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2004, 09:14:52 PM »
I've heard of it, even read little snippets of it, and I realized from the get-go that it was pretty crappy.  In fact, I don't even think that it's a 'translation', per se, but that it's actually more of a paraphrase from another translation.  Don't quote me on that one, though.

Regardless, I think that professor needs a good talking-to by the head of the Religion Department at whatever school you're attending, especially if there's more people riled up than just Christians.  I say 'just' because people that like usually expect us to be angry at them for doing stuff like that.

Well, that's my $0.02, for what it's worth.

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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2004, 01:58:03 PM »
Eugene Peterson, who produced that paraphrase is a very devout, Christ-loving protestant pastor and writer in the evangelical stream. Like the "Cottonpatch Gospels" of a gerneration ago, the intent was to use the vernacular to bring to light some of the intent of scripture and word things in a new way to help one think afresh about the passage. i don't think Peterson intends it to replace real translations for worship; rather is would be a study aid or devotional aid. That a liberal professor got ahold of it and is using it for ignoble purposes should not blemish the intent of Eugene Peterson. In fact,
Maria should go to the Christianity Today (protestant magazine website) and get some background on Peterson - her liberal prof might reconsider if he found out that Peterson actually loves the Lord and believes the Bible

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Re:The Message, by Peterson
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2004, 02:01:44 PM »
Of course, how one feels about the appropriateness of paraphrases is whole 'nother matter. I have never cared that much for them.

The Phillips new testatment paraphrase wasn't too bad however.