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Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« on: May 19, 2011, 07:26:51 PM »
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Let nobody doubt that religion hurts people. Good, intelligent, caring people suffer every day and everywhere at the hands of religion, the happy lie.

Religion is used by dishonest people who claim to know the way to the one thing humans want most: immortality. To combat fear of death, religious people ignore their intellect, believe the lie, and follow the preacher, usually blindly and sometimes to the point of insanity.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/19/my-take-doomsdayers-show-what%e2%80%99s-wrong-with-all-religion/?hpt=C2
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2011, 07:57:09 PM »
Quote from: David Silverman
Like most atheists, I’m a pretty nice person and would never scam someone out of his or her life savings or convince someone to quit a job just to line my pockets I have an axe to grind against Judaism, Christianity and Islam and am completely ignorant of the vast chasms that separate religions from one another and make statements like "religion hurts people" completely and utterly meaningless.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2011, 08:08:22 PM »
Well, I got something out of this otherwise useless article.  At the bottom there is a link about the new announcement the CDC put out on how to deal with the coming Zombie Apocalypse.
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2011, 08:11:28 PM »
Quote from: David Silverman
Like most atheists, I’m a pretty nice person and would never scam someone out of his or her life savings or convince someone to quit a job just to line my pockets I have an axe to grind against Judaism, Christianity and Islam and am completely ignorant of the vast chasms that separate religions from one another and make meaningless statements like "religion hurts people" completely and utterly meaningless".

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The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 08:13:55 PM »
Why does the media give space to this kind of inane, undergraduate, said-a-thousand-times-before, insightless drivel?

Why not a piece on eschatology throughout the ages or something even remotely interesting?

And the worst part is the author probably thinks he is so much cleverer than the rest of us.

It makes me angry -- Lord, have mercy!
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 08:15:20 PM »
The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?

Don't you know that the earlier you became an atheist, the smarter you are than the rest of us?

See, even my six-year-old self was more sophisticated and truth-perceptive than you believers.
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 08:16:43 PM »
Quote from: David Silverman
Like most atheists, I’m a pretty nice person and would never scam someone out of his or her life savings or convince someone to quit a job just to line my pockets I have an axe to grind against Judaism, Christianity and Islam and am completely ignorant of the vast chasms that separate religions from one another and make meaningless statements like "religion hurts people" completely and utterly meaningless".

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The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?
Clearly they were driven by reason. ;)

If every shylock who uses religion to take advantage of people is a valid argument against religion, shouldn't everyone who uses secular methods to take advantage of people be taken as a valid argument against secularism? Because there are a lot more of the latter.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 08:23:37 PM »
Why does the media give space to this kind of inane, undergraduate, said-a-thousand-times-before, insightless drivel?

Why not a piece on eschatology throughout the ages or something even remotely interesting?

And the worst part is the author probably thinks he is so much cleverer than the rest of us.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2011, 08:35:16 PM »

Clearly they were driven by reason. ;)

If every shylock who uses religion to take advantage of people is a valid argument against religion, shouldn't everyone who uses secular methods to take advantage of people be taken as a valid argument against secularism? Because there are a lot more of the latter.

Seriously, why doesn't the reverse of what he proposes apply? The blind leading the blind.
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2011, 08:45:46 PM »
Wow. Not everyone's the same, crimony pete...  ::)

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 09:01:35 PM »
Quote from: David Silverman
Like most atheists, I’m a pretty nice person and would never scam someone out of his or her life savings or convince someone to quit a job just to line my pockets I have an axe to grind against Judaism, Christianity and Islam and am completely ignorant of the vast chasms that separate religions from one another and make meaningless statements like "religion hurts people" completely and utterly meaningless".

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The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?


I became an atheist at around that age when I asked my mom "why did God make thorn bushes?" and didn't get a satisfactory answer.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2011, 05:39:35 AM »
Don't you know that the earlier you became an atheist, the smarter you are than the rest of us?

See, even my six-year-old self was more sophisticated and truth-perceptive than you believers.

Possibly...  :P ;D

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2011, 07:19:11 AM »
Quote from: David Silverman
Like most atheists, I’m a pretty nice person and would never scam someone out of his or her life savings or convince someone to quit a job just to line my pockets I have an axe to grind against Judaism, Christianity and Islam and am completely ignorant of the vast chasms that separate religions from one another and make meaningless statements like "religion hurts people" completely and utterly meaningless".

Fixed.
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The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?


I became an atheist at around that age when I asked my mom "why did God make thorn bushes?" and didn't get a satisfactory answer.

Have you gotten your answer yet?

Now I want to know.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2011, 11:30:34 AM »
The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?

Don't you know that the earlier you became an atheist, the smarter you are than the rest of us?

See, even my six-year-old self was more sophisticated and truth-perceptive than you believers.

You're soon gonna see bumper stickers:

Proud Parent of an Atheist
  at x Elementary School
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2011, 01:41:20 PM »
The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?

Don't you know that the earlier you became an atheist, the smarter you are than the rest of us?

See, even my six-year-old self was more sophisticated and truth-perceptive than you believers.

You're soon gonna see bumper stickers:

Proud Parent of an Atheist
  at x Elementary School

That's an awesome idea! And perhaps another one: "My atheist kid can kick your home schooled kid's ***!"  :P

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 12:59:35 AM »
"California preacher Harold Camping said yesterday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day will actually come on October 21."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/rapture-actually-coming-in-october-says-camping-20110524-1f1ln.html#ixzz1NF7WMT9L

I can only sigh.
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 09:52:42 AM »
"California preacher Harold Camping said yesterday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day will actually come on October 21."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/rapture-actually-coming-in-october-says-camping-20110524-1f1ln.html#ixzz1NF7WMT9L

I can only sigh.

I will post an excerpt from my comments on the other thread on the same subject as they are pertinent.

"In my opinion, we waste a lot of time quibbling with schismatics around here and very little time condemning the true heretics and distorters of the faith. People like Camping and LaHaye create the mass culture's popular distortion and mocking of Christian Faith and they do much to diminish all of the rest of us as they con the gullible out of house and home.

Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other."

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 03:04:20 PM »
This is weird. These are merely some fanatics. There was a theory that the world would end this past saturday, but if God doesn't want us to know, why speculate?

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2011, 08:33:58 AM »
I don't agree with the author.

I've seen elderly people cared for in the homes of the Amish, a long standing tradition of them taking care of elderly.
I've seen a mennonite give away all the money he had (life savings) to somebody in need.
I've seen actions of Amish and Mennonites to help others in need to rebuild homes, barns, and help families in need.

This is all based in their faith and religion.
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2011, 02:25:23 PM »
Quote from: David Silverman
Like most atheists, I’m a pretty nice person and would never scam someone out of his or her life savings or convince someone to quit a job just to line my pockets I have an axe to grind against Judaism, Christianity and Islam and am completely ignorant of the vast chasms that separate religions from one another and make meaningless statements like "religion hurts people" completely and utterly meaningless".

Fixed.
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The author is cited as being an Atheist since age six. Really? I have heard of seven year old monastics, so I assume anything is possible, but what could have gone on in a six-year-old's life that led to a rejection of belief in God?
Clearly they were driven by reason. ;)

If every shylock who uses religion to take advantage of people is a valid argument against religion, shouldn't everyone who uses secular methods to take advantage of people be taken as a valid argument against secularism? Because there are a lot more of the latter.

Atheism and Secularism are two separate things. By the definition of secularism, they have to be. Secularism is a civil framework that allows people of different beliefs or non-belief to operate equally under a law that doesn't discriminate. It is separation of church and state.

Secularism is beneficial for the survival of the Orthodox tradition. It ensures, that one faction (ie. Rome) doesn't suddenly become the supreme ruler over everything religious and be sanctioned by the state.
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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2011, 02:27:35 PM »
As anyone noticed the large amount of ex-Fundamentalists/Evangelicals...that are now part of this New Atheist movement?

They abandoned their belief, but not their mindset.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2011, 04:20:07 PM »
As anyone noticed the large amount of ex-Fundamentalists/Evangelicals...that are now part of this New Atheist movement?

They abandoned their belief, but not their mindset.

I make this point all the time. Many anti-Christians (the many who think Christianity is always of a fundamentalist stripe) mock the Christian faith for its naive reading of the Bible, the one they continue to hold on to after rejecting the Trinity as God. When you attempt to suggest other hermeneutical approaches, they immediately right you off for "picking and choosing" how you understand what you do, even if you are agreeing with their own stance on something! They are aChristian fundamentalists. I don't like like the word atheist, cause it is unscriptural. Everyone worships at the feet of some god. 

You can take the fundie outta the pew . . . well I have got nothing clever here.

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Re: Doomsdayers show what’s wrong with all religion
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2011, 05:31:07 PM »
As anyone noticed the large amount of ex-Fundamentalists/Evangelicals...that are now part of this New Atheist movement?

They abandoned their belief, but not their mindset.

I make this point all the time. Many anti-Christians (the many who think Christianity is always of a fundamentalist stripe) mock the Christian faith for its naive reading of the Bible, the one they continue to hold on to after rejecting the Trinity as God. When you attempt to suggest other hermeneutical approaches, they immediately right you off for "picking and choosing" how you understand what you do, even if you are agreeing with their own stance on something! They are aChristian fundamentalists. I don't like like the word atheist, cause it is unscriptural. Everyone worships at the feet of some god. 

You can take the fundie outta the pew . . . well I have got nothing clever here.



EXACTLY!  A lot of them have surprising small exposure to other Christian denominations.

I was a non-Catholic at Catholic school. I never really experienced Evangelicals (I didn't even know what the word meant) until my late 20s when the internet became popular and I got to speak to American Christians.

I was very sheltered in my little corner of Northern Australia. I lived in a Tourist town, so we were exposed to many foreigners. It's a very laid back place where everyone is called 'mate', wears sandals, shorts, and are usually chilled out.