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The fact that for 200 years, the Russian Orthodox Church was ruled by an ober-prokurator, is not heresy?

What's an ober-prokurator? Is that some kind of doctor?
I think that literally in English it would be "High Prosecutor". He was a secretary/minister of the Tsar who was responsible for keeping the Orthodox Church in line with public policy.
Ombudsman is quite often used as a translation as well.

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Devin,
The fact that for 200 years, the Russian Orthodox Church was ruled by an ober-prokurator, is not heresy?
Was that the Vatican was subject to Regium Placet, Exequatur and the Jus Exclusivae-in addition, we are told, that the Inquistion was in state hands-make it even more heretical?
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05677b.htm
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05707a.htm

How about the emperor Leopold declaring the Romanian Orhtodox united to the Vatican (btw, ever see the regulations of the Vatican's churches in the Habsburgs?)?  The Polish king holding a synod to declare the Orthodox under his heel united to the Vatican?

How about King Reccared and Emperor Henry ordering the filioque inserted into the Creed?  The Carolingians promulgation of it? The emperors of the Romans who tried to extort and starve the Orthodox bishops into submission to the Vatican?

Rather selective, of course, Syne, in your condemnation of Erastianism and Caesaropapism.  Typical.

Wouldn't that mean that only the Bolshevik Revolution liberated the Russian Orthodox Church from its heresy? What a Blessed Revolution, that it broughts the ROC back to Apostolic Christianity.
To bring you back to the facts-yes, I know they confuse you, but that is what you have to deal with:the office of Ober-Procurator was abolished in August 1917, and its abolition had been on the agenda from at least 1905.  The last to hold it, Anton Kartashev, became Minister of Religion.  The All Russian Sobor convenend thereafter, and restored the patriarchate before the Bolshevik revolution took over Moscow.  Patriarch St. Tikhon was enthroned the day after they took over, but in spite of them, not because of them.  The Bolsheviks then recruited Vladimir Lvov, Kartashev's predecessor, to lead the forces opposed to the restoration of the Patriarchate to form the "Living Church" movement, to strip the Orthodox Church of Apostolic Christianity a la Protestante.
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Devin,
The fact that for 200 years, the Russian Orthodox Church was ruled by an ober-prokurator, is not heresy?

What's an ober-prokurator? Is that some kind of doctor?
I think that literally in English it would be "High Prosecutor". He was a secretary/minister of the Tsar who was responsible for keeping the Orthodox Church in line with public policy.
Like Mussolini did with the Lateran Treaty.
Question a friend, perhaps he did not do it; but if he did anything so that he may do it no more.
A hasty quarrel kindles fire,
and urgent strife sheds blood.
If you blow on a spark, it will glow;
if you spit on it, it will be put out;
                           and both come out of your mouth