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Offline Andreas

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What's this Icon all about?
« on: June 10, 2004, 03:11:04 AM »
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2004, 03:34:55 AM »
Good question. I've never seen anything like it before. All I could Google up was here:

http://www.artemotore.com/santi.html

"Christopher -dog faced- church of St. George of Cegelkoy"

And I've never heard of that church either.

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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2004, 03:49:32 AM »
I've heard of it before, in a book on iconography, I'll dig it up tommorow and post more info :)
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2004, 04:12:26 AM »
http://www.ucc.ie/milmart/chrsorig.html

The identification of St. Christopher as a member of the tribe of the Marmaritae is vital to the correct understanding of a passage which has caused more problems than most, the description of his nativeland present in all the earliest surviving accounts of his martyrdom, both Greek and Latin, according to which he came from a land of cannibals and dog-headed peoples. The Greek tradition came to interpret this passage absolutely literally, and this is why Byzantine icons often depicted St. Christopher with a dog's head.

http://www.patriarchate.org/visit/photo2/html/st_christopher.html

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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2004, 04:20:42 AM »
Excellent Orthodoc! Now why couldn't I find that?
Unusual icon, to say the least...

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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2004, 05:13:09 AM »
I love this icon, because of what it says about the absolute universality of Christ's saving work (for those who receive it, of course).
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2004, 08:43:28 AM »
The Greek tradition came to interpret this passage absolutely literally, and this is why Byzantine icons often depicted St. Christopher with a dog's head.

Ummm, yeah. Raises my confidence in tradition.

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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2004, 02:54:21 PM »
Interesting--But I though Christopher was just a popular myth?

Sorry folks that was just a joke--but really isn't funny as that is the line now accordign to many RC Priests I have spoken too.

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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2004, 04:30:34 PM »
I thought the dog's head was a representation of St. Christopher being a very physically unattractive man, with a face like a dog's.  That's what I've read anyway.
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2004, 04:58:52 PM »
I heard that he was very devout, as well as being very very very attractive.  He asked God to change his face so that he wouldn't get distracted by the women tempting him.  God made him so ugly... I guess you could say dog ugly, that he is depicted with a dog's head.... Quite possibly an old-wives tale, but that's what I got when I was about 10 years old and noticed it as a fresco at a church.
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2004, 08:34:24 PM »
This is quite an interesting thread!

I hadn't heard any of these things about St. Christopher until now. That icon is unlike any I've ever seen before too!

I am used to seeing St. Christopher depicted as a man of large stature carrying the Christ Child on his shoulder - are we talking about the same St. Christopher?

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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2004, 12:22:49 AM »
I don't think they are the same Christopher
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2004, 12:41:00 AM »
I believe we're talking about the same one.
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2004, 01:54:32 AM »
Yes they are the same Saint Christopher.
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Re:What's this Icon all about?
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2004, 04:36:14 AM »
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