The Patriarchate of Jerusalem broke off communion with the Romanian Patriarchate - RC POV

[synLeszka]

Prawdziwie Zmartwychpowstał, jakoż przepowiedział, przez proroków zapowiedział, Alleluja, Alleluja, Alleluja!
Na darmo żydzi kamień na grób wtłoczyli, Pan Zmartwychpowstał, nam niesie radość, Alleluja,Alleluja, Alleluja!

So, who will resolve this conflict? The bishop of Rome, in virtue of His Primacy, has the right to loosen and bind between faithful. The Orthodox deny the competence of Rome, then who is their judge?

[Asteriktos]

So, who will resolve this conflict? The bishop of Rome, in virtue of His Primacy, has the right to loosen and bind between faithful. The Orthodox deny the competence of Rome, then who is their judge?

God.

[celticfan1888]

Prawdziwie Zmartwychpowstał, jakoż przepowiedział, przez proroków zapowiedział, Alleluja, Alleluja, Alleluja!
Na darmo żydzi kamień na grób wtłoczyli, Pan Zmartwychpowstał, nam niesie radość, Alleluja,Alleluja, Alleluja!

So, who will resolve this conflict? The bishop of Rome, in virtue of His Primacy, has the right to loosen and bind between faithful. The Orthodox deny the competence of Rome, then who is their judge?

Our judge is God, not a man. But maybe the Pope of Rome could help unify Christianity...if he repented and rejoined The Church...

[ialmisry]

Chrystus zmartwychwstał!

Prawdziwie Zmartwychpowstał, jakoż przepowiedział, przez proroków zapowiedział, Alleluja, Alleluja, Alleluja!
Na darmo żydzi kamień na grób wtłoczyli, Pan Zmartwychpowstał, nam niesie radość, Alleluja,Alleluja, Alleluja!

So, who will resolve this conflict? The bishop of Rome, in virtue of His Primacy, has the right to loosen and bind between faithful. The Orthodox deny the competence of Rome, then who is their judge?

LOL.

The Pope of Rome stuck his nose in Antioch's business during the Meletian Schism, insisting Rome's man Paulinus (the bishop who ordained St. Jerome) had succeeded to Patriarch St. Meletios, who had been deposed.  Pat. St. Meletios (who ordained St. John Chrysostom, St. Basil the Great, etc.) opened the Second Ecumenical Council of Constantinople and recognized St. Gregory of Nyssa as the primate of the capital, and not the usurper Maximus the Cynic. St. Meletius had offered to Paulinus that the survivor would succeed to the patriarchate, but Paulinus refused.  So when St. Meletius fell asleep (out of communion with Rome), the Council refused to recognize-as Rome was demanding-Paulinus, and elected St. Flavian to succeed as Patriarch of Antioch.  Eventually Pauliinus and his episcopal line died out.  The succession from St. Meletius continues to this day.  In fact, all four of the patriarchates the Vatican has tried to impose on Antioch-the Crusader (only recently abolished) Latin, and the (originally heretical) Maronite and the schismatic/heretical Melkite and Syriac ones who went into submission to the Vatican, all claim succession from St. Meletius, Paulinus being quite forgotten.  Btw, St. Meletius is also on the Roman calendar.

So yes, the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church is quite competent to handle this.  We always have.

[synLeszka]

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

[Orthodox11]

The other Patriarchates collectively could quite easily do something.

[Michał Kalina]

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

I agree that your Church has changed it's eccclesiology since the schism.

[ialmisry]

Chrystus zmartwychpowstał!

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

Yes, the Orthodox bishop of Rome is a suffragan of the Holy Romanian Synod, while Jerusalem has its own patriarch (who had its own patriarch deposed no problem a few years ago, btw).

[Michał Kalina]

Chrystus zmartwychpowstał!

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

Yes, the Orthodox bishop of Rome is a suffragan of the Holy Romanian Synod, while Jerusalem has its own patriarch (who had its own patriarch deposed no problem a few years ago, btw).

Why do you keep insisting that there is a Bishop of Rome when there isn't?

[podkarpatska]

Chrystus zmartwychpowstał!

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

Yes, the Orthodox bishop of Rome is a suffragan of the Holy Romanian Synod, while Jerusalem has its own patriarch (who had its own patriarch deposed no problem a few years ago, btw).

Why do you keep insisting that there is a Bishop of Rome when there isn't?

Is the Romanian Bishop in question 'in Rome' or 'of Rome'?

[Michał Kalina]

'of Italy' and in Rome

[ialmisry]

Chrystus zmartwychpowstał!

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

Yes, the Orthodox bishop of Rome is a suffragan of the Holy Romanian Synod, while Jerusalem has its own patriarch (who had its own patriarch deposed no problem a few years ago, btw).

Why do you keep insisting that there is a Bishop of Rome when there isn't?

Is the Romanian Bishop in question 'in Rome' or 'of Rome'?

His see is de jure and de facto, as specified by statute, Rome.

[ialmisry]

Chrystus zmartwychpowstał!

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

Yes, the Orthodox bishop of Rome is a suffragan of the Holy Romanian Synod, while Jerusalem has its own patriarch (who had its own patriarch deposed no problem a few years ago, btw).

Why do you keep insisting that there is a Bishop of Rome when there isn't?

The Statutes say otherwise.

[Wyatt]

Chrystus zmartwychpowstał!

Hmm, I see that you are great in church history. That is history. Today is a new reality.

Yes, the Orthodox bishop of Rome is a suffragan of the Holy Romanian Synod, while Jerusalem has its own patriarch (who had its own patriarch deposed no problem a few years ago, btw).

Why do you keep insisting that there is a Bishop of Rome when there isn't?

Izzy is a closet Romanist.

[Michał Kalina]

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siluan_%C8%98pan
http://www.patriarhia.ro/en/roc_structure/mseuropesynod.html

Why do you keep saying that a square has three angles?

[ialmisry]

Hristos a inviat!

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siluan_%C8%98pan
http://www.patriarhia.ro/en/roc_structure/mseuropesynod.html

Why do you keep saying that a square has three angles?

Why do you keep calling a triangle a square?

THE STATUTES
FOR THE ORGANISATION AND FUNCTIONING OF THE
ROMANIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
GENERAL STIPULATIONS

Article 6 – (1) The Romanian Orthodox Church is organised as
Patriarchy, with the title of the “Romanian Patriarchy”.
(2) The Romanian Patriarchy comprises eparchies (Archdioceses and
Dioceses) grouped in Metropolitan Sees, as well as some other units inside
and outside the Romanian frontiers, as follows:
II. Romanian Orthodox Metropolitan See for Western and
Meridional Europe comprises:
36. Romanian Orthodox Diocese of Italy, seated in Rome
Article 7 – (1) Setting up, dissolution, territorial change and change
of the titles of the Metropolitan Sees, Archdioceses and Dioceses are done
through the decrees of the Holy Synod taking into account the pastoralmissionary
requirements and the administrative-territorial organisation of the
state.
(2) The title of the Metropolitans, Archbishops and Bishops is that of
the Metropolitan See or of the eparchy in which they serve.
Article 8 – (1) The canonical and pastoral organisation of the
Romanian Orthodox faithful abroad is ensured by the Holy Synod of the
Romanian Orthodox Church.
(2) The Dioceses, Archdioceses, Metropolitan Sees and some other
church units abroad are organised and function according to their own
statutes, approved by the Holy Synod, in accordance with the Statutes for the
Organisation and Functioning of the Romanian Orthodox Church.
Section VI
A. Metropolitan See
Article 110 – (1) Canonically and administratively the Dioceses and
Archdioceses are grouped in Metropolitan Sees.
(2) The Metropolitan Sees inside the country and outside it are headed by a Metropolitan.
C. The Metropolitan
Article 114 – (1) The Metropolitan is the canonical leader of a
Metropolitan See, implements the rights and fulfils the tasks stipulated by
the Holy Canons, by the church tradition and by the present Statutes.
(2) The title of the Metropolitan is that of the Archdiocese he serves
and of the Metropolitan See he leads.

http://www.patriarhia.ro/_upload/documente/121438488425759490.pdf

There is no such thing as Orthodox bishop of Rome. What there is, is a Romanian bishop of Romanians living in Italy (there are at least 1 million of them) who happens to reside in Rome, as a place where there are many Romanians. He does not claim to be THE Bishop of Rome, but of Romanians living in a certain territory. The same as the Romanian bishop living in Paris is not the bishop of Paris, but the bishop of Romanians living in Western Europe, etc...

He doesn't just happen to be in Rome, according to the statute of his Church, his diocese's "has [its] see at Rome."
http://episcopia-italiei.it/media/statut_eori.pdf
So he is THE Orthodox bishop of Rome, as that is where he is enthroned, and I know of no one else with a claim to the title (the EP, who has the premier claim to jurisdiction in Italy but has reserved/foreswore that in signing Chambesy). The establishment now of the Orthodox Episcopal Conference of Italy and Malta puts that on solid footing.

[Michał Kalina]

THE STATUTES
FOR THE ORGANISATION AND FUNCTIONING OF THE
ROMANIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
GENERAL STIPULATIONS

Article 6 – (1) The Romanian Orthodox Church is organised as
Patriarchy, with the title of the “Romanian Patriarchy”.
(2) The Romanian Patriarchy comprises eparchies (Archdioceses and
Dioceses) grouped in Metropolitan Sees, as well as some other units inside
and outside the Romanian frontiers, as follows:
II. Romanian Orthodox Metropolitan See for Western and
Meridional Europe comprises:
36. Romanian Orthodox Diocese of Italy - not of Rome, seated in Rome
Article 7 – (1) Setting up, dissolution, territorial change and change
of the titles of the Metropolitan Sees, Archdioceses and Dioceses are done
through the decrees of the Holy Synod taking into account the pastoralmissionary
requirements and the administrative-territorial organisation of the
state.
(2) The title of the Metropolitans, Archbishops and Bishops is that of
the Metropolitan See or of the eparchy in which they serve. - eparchy in this case as can be read from his title
Article 8 – (1) The canonical and pastoral organisation of the
Romanian Orthodox faithful abroad is ensured by the Holy Synod of the
Romanian Orthodox Church.
(2) The Dioceses, Archdioceses, Metropolitan Sees and some other
church units abroad are organised and function according to their own
statutes, approved by the Holy Synod, in accordance with the Statutes for the
Organisation and Functioning of the Romanian Orthodox Church.
Section VI
A. Metropolitan See
Article 110 – (1) Canonically and administratively the Dioceses and
Archdioceses are grouped in Metropolitan Sees.
(2) The Metropolitan Sees inside the country and outside it are headed by a Metropolitan.
C. The Metropolitan
Article 114 – (1) The Metropolitan is the canonical leader of a
Metropolitan See, implements the rights and fulfils the tasks stipulated by
the Holy Canons, by the church tradition and by the present Statutes.
(2) The title of the Metropolitan is that of the Archdiocese he serves
and of the Metropolitan See he leads.

http://www.patriarhia.ro/_upload/documente/121438488425759490.pdf

[Wyatt]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

[celticfan1888]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

I wouldnt say "crucial" since we have done well almost for 1000 years after he left. 

[Wyatt]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

I wouldnt say "crucial" since we have done well almost for 1000 years after he left. 

Define "well."

[Michał Kalina]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

It made me laugh.

[celticfan1888]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

I wouldnt say "crucial" since we have done well almost for 1000 years after he left. 

Define "well."

We havent died, we're still here, and we kept our beliefs.

[biro]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

I wouldnt say "crucial" since we have done well almost for 1000 years after he left. 

Define "well."

We havent died, we're still here, and we kept our beliefs.

Although 'that other' church has four or five times as many people. 

[Michał Kalina]

Lk 12, 32

[biro]

I wonder what would happen if the 'R' fell off some people's keyboards, or their smart phones went on the fritz. How would they write all the time about the Roman Catholics, and then pretend they're not interested?

They write about the RCC more than the actual RCC members on the board.

It's like when someone has a crush on you, but they can't admit it, so they say they don't like you.  

I'm just saying.  

[biro]

Lk 12, 32

That's in their Bibles, too.

[celticfan1888]

I wonder what would happen if the 'R' fell off some people's keyboards, or their smart phones went on the fritz. How would they write all the time about the Roman Catholics, and then pretend they're not interested?

They write about the RCC more than the actual RCC members on the board.

It's like when someone has a crush on you, but they can't admit it, so they say they don't like you.  

I'm just saying.  

I know first hand what the RCC is like is all. I dont have as much insight into anyother non-Orthodox Catholic faiths is all.

[ialmisry]

Hristos a inviat!

THE STATUTES
FOR THE ORGANISATION AND FUNCTIONING OF THE
ROMANIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH
GENERAL STIPULATIONS

Article 6 – (1) The Romanian Orthodox Church is organised as
Patriarchy, with the title of the “Romanian Patriarchy”.
(2) The Romanian Patriarchy comprises eparchies (Archdioceses and
Dioceses) grouped in Metropolitan Sees, as well as some other units inside
and outside the Romanian frontiers, as follows:
II. Romanian Orthodox Metropolitan See for Western and
Meridional Europe comprises:
36. Romanian Orthodox Diocese of Italy - not of Rome, seated in Rome
Article 7 – (1) Setting up, dissolution, territorial change and change
of the titles of the Metropolitan Sees, Archdioceses and Dioceses are done
through the decrees of the Holy Synod taking into account the pastoralmissionary
requirements and the administrative-territorial organisation of the
state.
(2) The title of the Metropolitans, Archbishops and Bishops is that of
the Metropolitan See or of the eparchy in which they serve. - eparchy in this case as can be read from his title
Article 8 – (1) The canonical and pastoral organisation of the
Romanian Orthodox faithful abroad is ensured by the Holy Synod of the
Romanian Orthodox Church.
(2) The Dioceses, Archdioceses, Metropolitan Sees and some other
church units abroad are organised and function according to their own
statutes, approved by the Holy Synod, in accordance with the Statutes for the
Organisation and Functioning of the Romanian Orthodox Church.
Section VI
A. Metropolitan See
Article 110 – (1) Canonically and administratively the Dioceses and
Archdioceses are grouped in Metropolitan Sees.
(2) The Metropolitan Sees inside the country and outside it are headed by a Metropolitan.
C. The Metropolitan
Article 114 – (1) The Metropolitan is the canonical leader of a
Metropolitan See, implements the rights and fulfils the tasks stipulated by
the Holy Canons, by the church tradition and by the present Statutes.
(2) The title of the Metropolitan is that of the Archdiocese he serves
and of the Metropolitan See he leads.

http://www.patriarhia.ro/_upload/documente/121438488425759490.pdf

And said bishop's cathedral, which contains his cathedra upon which he must be enthroned to be bishop of the episcopate is where again?

[ialmisry]

Hristos a inviat!

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

Every Orthodox should defend the canonical authority of every Orthodox bishop in the diptychs of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, in particular in face of competing claims of heretics.

I know, since your ecclesiastical community really only has one bishop, that that is a hard concept to understand.

[Peter J]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

Can you blame him? 

[Paisius]

I wonder what would happen if the 'R' fell off some people's keyboards, or their smart phones went on the fritz. How would they write all the time about the Roman Catholics, and then pretend they're not interested?

They write about the RCC more than the actual RCC members on the board.

It's like when someone has a crush on you, but they can't admit it, so they say they don't like you.  

I'm just saying.  

Strangely enough, if you look at the top of your screen you will notice this is the "Orthodox-Catholic" discussion forum. Would you prefer we discuss fruit cake?

[ialmisry]

Christ is risen!

I wonder what would happen if the 'R' fell off some people's keyboards, or their smart phones went on the fritz. How would they write all the time about the Roman Catholics, and then pretend they're not interested?

They write about the RCC more than the actual RCC members on the board.

It's like when someone has a crush on you, but they can't admit it, so they say they don't like you.  

I'm just saying.  

Strangely enough, if you look at the top of your screen you will notice this is the "Orthodox-Catholic" discussion forum. Would you prefer we discuss fruit cake?

Bleachk! I can't stand the stuff.  Someone said, there is just one fruitcake in the world, which everyone tries to pass off to someone else.

[Kasatkin fan]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

I wouldnt say "crucial" since we have done well almost for 1000 years after he left. 

Define "well."

We havent died, we're still here, and we kept our beliefs.

Although 'that other' church has four or five times as many people. 

So what you're saying is Matthew 7:13 is talking about the Catholic Church and verse 14 about the Orthodox Church?

[stanley123]

Christ is risen!

I wonder what would happen if the 'R' fell off some people's keyboards, or their smart phones went on the fritz. How would they write all the time about the Roman Catholics, and then pretend they're not interested?

They write about the RCC more than the actual RCC members on the board.

It's like when someone has a crush on you, but they can't admit it, so they say they don't like you.  

I'm just saying.  

Strangely enough, if you look at the top of your screen you will notice this is the "Orthodox-Catholic" discussion forum. Would you prefer we discuss fruit cake?

Bleachk! I can't stand the stuff.  ....

Maybe that's because you haven't tasted the delicious fruitcakes made in Catholic Trappist monasteries,
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0406723.htm
http://www.trappist.net/monasterygifts
http://www.gethsemanifarms.org/fruitcake.aspx

[ialmisry]

Christ is risen!

I wonder what would happen if the 'R' fell off some people's keyboards, or their smart phones went on the fritz. How would they write all the time about the Roman Catholics, and then pretend they're not interested?

They write about the RCC more than the actual RCC members on the board.

It's like when someone has a crush on you, but they can't admit it, so they say they don't like you.  

I'm just saying.  

Strangely enough, if you look at the top of your screen you will notice this is the "Orthodox-Catholic" discussion forum. Would you prefer we discuss fruit cake?

Bleachk! I can't stand the stuff.  ....

Maybe that's because you haven't tasted the delicious fruitcakes made in Catholic Trappist monasteries,
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0406723.htm
http://www.trappist.net/monasterygifts
http://www.gethsemanifarms.org/fruitcake.aspx

So I've been told. I don't believe it, no offense to the good monks.

[Michał Kalina]

And said bishop's cathedral, which contains his cathedra upon which he must be enthroned to be bishop of the episcopate is where again?

Do you say he was enthroned as the Bishop of Rome instead of the Bishop of Italy, despite he is listed as Bishop of Italy? Can you prove it? Can you prove that the official site of the Romanian Patriarchate contains untrue information?

[Wyatt]

Hristos a inviat!

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

Every Orthodox should defend the canonical authority of every Orthodox bishop in the diptychs of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, in particular in face of competing claims of heretics.

I know, since your ecclesiastical community really only has one bishop, that that is a hard concept to understand.

Ah c'mon izzy. You love us...admit it.

[podkarpatska]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

It made me laugh.

Apparently, these folks are also looking for a Bishop in Rome.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sfsajNRQvQ   

[deusveritasest]

It's cute how izzy keeps insisting that there is an EO Bishop of Rome. Based on his posts, it almost seems as if "Bishop of Rome" is a crucial office for the Church. Imagine that.

That's just nonsense.

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