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Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« on: May 17, 2011, 05:08:54 PM »
For the first time in 87 years since the Catastrophe (the expulsion of Orthodox Christians from Asia Minor), the Divine Liturgy was celebrated last Sunday in Cappadocia. The Liturgy was celebrated in the ancient Church of St. Demetrios with His All Holiness, the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew presiding. News in Greek: http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.com/2011/05/87.html
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 05:43:36 PM »
Isn't it great news?! I thought that Cappadocia was part of the Church of Antioch though - was it later transferred to the Church of Constantinople?
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2011, 06:49:12 PM »
Isn't it great news?! I thought that Cappadocia was part of the Church of Antioch though - was it later transferred to the Church of Constantinople?
I'm not sure of the dates, but yes, Cappadocia was originally under Antioch, and later came under Constantinople. St. Meletius came from Cappadocia and was Patriarch of Antioch whereas John the Cappadocian became Patriarch of Constantinople.
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2011, 07:11:43 PM »
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Isn't it great news?! I thought that Cappadocia was part of the Church of Antioch though - was it later transferred to the Church of Constantinople?
I'm not sure of the dates, but yes, Cappadocia was originally under Antioch, and later came under Constantinople. St. Meletius came from Cappadocia and was Patriarch of Antioch whereas John the Cappadocian became Patriarch of Constantinople.
Officially, 451.  Cilicia, however, is under Antioch.

Btw (and in view of recent events concerning the Romanian Church), the Patriarch of All Romania has the title of locum tenens of the See of St. Basil at Caesarea in Cappadocia ex officio.
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 07:25:41 PM »
Btw (and in view of recent events concerning the Romanian Church), the Patriarch of All Romania has the title of locum tenens of the See of St. Basil at Caesarea in Cappadocia ex officio.

Does anyone know, why?
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2011, 07:37:21 PM »
Btw (and in view of recent events concerning the Romanian Church), the Patriarch of All Romania has the title of locum tenens of the See of St. Basil at Caesarea in Cappadocia ex officio.

Does anyone know, why?
Yeah, the metropolitans of Ungrovlahia have held the title since the Phanariot times, in return for the gifts and donations made to the Ecumenical Patriarchate. So, they basically bought it.

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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 07:41:26 PM »
This is excellent news. I was in the region a couple of years ago and fell in love. The only thing that disappointed me was the lack of any sign of modern Orthodox practice.

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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2011, 07:52:55 PM »
Hristos a inviat!
Btw (and in view of recent events concerning the Romanian Church), the Patriarch of All Romania has the title of locum tenens of the See of St. Basil at Caesarea in Cappadocia ex officio.

Does anyone know, why?
Supposedly, when the Ottomans forced the Metropolis to be closed, the Holy Synod of Constantinople under EP Sophronious on October 10, 1776 elected to name the Metropolitan of Ungro-Wallachia as Locum Tenens to perpetuate the episcopal line.  The first to have it was a Phanariot Bishop Gregory III, who had been Metropolitan of Myra before (on becoming Metropolitan of Ungro-valahia, he printed a lot in Romnian at his own expense).
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2011, 07:53:24 PM »
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages Amen!

By the way, can anyone tell me, is Cappadocian pronounced Cap-pa-do-she-an or Cap-pa-do-key-an, or something else entirely?
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2011, 08:50:34 PM »
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages Amen!

By the way, can anyone tell me, is Cappadocian pronounced Cap-pa-do-she-an or Cap-pa-do-key-an, or something else entirely?
Depends if you go for the Greek/Turkish or Latin pronounciation. :D

The first you list is Latin, the second the Greek/Turkish.

Most everyone who has ever been there seems to pronounce it the second way.

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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2011, 09:03:44 PM »
Thank you, as I listen to Ancient Faith Radio I realize that the pronunciation I have in my head is...frequently not exactly how one is maybe supposed to say it, but I'd yet to hear this word on there.
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2011, 09:12:24 PM »
Thank you, as I listen to Ancient Faith Radio I realize that the pronunciation I have in my head is...frequently not exactly how one is maybe supposed to say it, but I'd yet to hear this word on there.

Don't worry, almost no word derived from the Greek language is pronounced in English in a way even remotely resembling the Greek.

Psychic, pneumatic, mnemonic -- who knew Greek had so many silent letters?
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2011, 10:37:15 PM »
Thank you, as I listen to Ancient Faith Radio I realize that the pronunciation I have in my head is...frequently not exactly how one is maybe supposed to say it, but I'd yet to hear this word on there.

Don't worry, almost no word derived from the Greek language is pronounced in English in a way even remotely resembling the Greek.

Psychic, pneumatic, mnemonic -- who knew Greek had so many silent letters?

I think Hubris is the only word of Greek origin that I've ever come across pronounced the exact same in English, including place names (mind you I learned Erasmian pronounciation)

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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2011, 10:42:22 PM »
(mind you I learned Erasmian pronounciation)

There's your first problem, hahah.
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2011, 10:51:06 PM »
(mind you I learned Erasmian pronounciation)

There's your first problem, hahah.
Actually my first semester I learned Erasmian with a heavy Spanish accent. :D

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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 12:43:00 AM »
(mind you I learned Erasmian pronounciation)

There's your first problem, hahah.
Actually my first semester I learned Erasmian with a heavy Spanish accent. :D

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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 01:13:24 AM »
Thank you, as I listen to Ancient Faith Radio I realize that the pronunciation I have in my head is...frequently not exactly how one is maybe supposed to say it, but I'd yet to hear this word on there.

Don't worry, almost no word derived from the Greek language is pronounced in English in a way even remotely resembling the Greek.

Psychic, pneumatic, mnemonic -- who knew Greek had so many silent letters?

Wait, those aren't silent letters?
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2011, 01:33:28 AM »
Thank you, as I listen to Ancient Faith Radio I realize that the pronunciation I have in my head is...frequently not exactly how one is maybe supposed to say it, but I'd yet to hear this word on there.

Don't worry, almost no word derived from the Greek language is pronounced in English in a way even remotely resembling the Greek.

Psychic, pneumatic, mnemonic -- who knew Greek had so many silent letters?

Wait, those aren't silent letters?

Not in Greek, they aren't!
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2011, 02:31:33 AM »
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2011, 06:45:12 AM »
Isn't it great news?! I thought that Cappadocia was part of the Church of Antioch though - was it later transferred to the Church of Constantinople?

Caesarea Cappadocia was originally its own Exarchate (like Ephesus) covering the area of the civil Diocese of Pontus. The Pontian church was absorbed by Constantinople at Chalcedon.
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2011, 06:45:12 AM »
I'm not sure of the dates, but yes, Cappadocia was originally under Antioch

Where do you get that idea?

St. Meletius came from Cappadocia and was Patriarch of Antioch whereas John the Cappadocian became Patriarch of Constantinople.

And Saint Gregory the Illuminator was from Cappadocia but became Catholicos of Armenia and Saint Severus of Antioch came from Asia Minor but became Patriarch of Antioch. Where one became Bishop was not necessarily indicative of where one was from.
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Re: Divine Liturgy returns to Cappadocia after 87 years!
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2011, 06:45:13 AM »
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto ages of ages Amen!

By the way, can anyone tell me, is Cappadocian pronounced Cap-pa-do-she-an or Cap-pa-do-key-an, or something else entirely?
Depends if you go for the Greek/Turkish or Latin pronounciation. :D

The first you list is Latin, the second the Greek/Turkish.

Most everyone who has ever been there seems to pronounce it the second way.

What about Cappa-do-see-in?
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