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Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« on: May 18, 2011, 11:56:40 PM »
"After decades of debate, the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) on Tuesday struck down a barrier to ordaining gays, ratifying a proposal that removes the celibacy requirement for unmarried clergy...
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 01:05:17 PM »
This is wrong! Gays may be OK as people, but they should not be allowed to use authority to influence heterosexuals into adopting their lifestyle. This is the same reason why Orthodox clergy may not be married to prostitutes.

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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 01:09:05 PM »
Orthodox clergy may not be married to prostitutes.
Tell that to the Prophet Hosea.  ;)
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2011, 01:12:00 PM »
That canon was developed after his time. I was merely making an analogy that the ordination of gays is wrong.

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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2011, 01:41:19 PM »
Everyday I'm surprised at the amount of Christians that think a homosexual lifestyle is ok. I'm not sure the scriptures could be more clear about it. And Christians treating homosexuals "badly" is no excuse for anything either.
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2011, 02:23:23 PM »
Fr Siarhei Hardum was right.

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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2011, 03:38:55 PM »
The Orthodox also ordain Homosexuals, you can depend on it.

What we dont do is care much about someones sexual preferences. We do care about is actual behavior. So if you are Gay and sexually active with other Men, no ordination. If you are hetero and not married and are living with your girlfriend, no ordination.............. If you masturbate day and night...well..you get the point.
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2011, 04:54:59 PM »
The Orthodox also ordain Homosexuals, you can depend on it.

What we dont do is care much about someones sexual preferences. We do care about is actual behavior. So if you are Gay and sexually active with other Men, no ordination. If you are hetero and not married and are living with your girlfriend, no ordination.............. If you masturbate day and night...well..you get the point.

I agree in general with what you're saying, though I think your strokes are a bit broad and misleading.
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2011, 06:03:30 PM »
The Orthodox also ordain Homosexuals, you can depend on it.

What we dont do is care much about someones sexual preferences. We do care about is actual behavior. So if you are Gay and sexually active with other Men, no ordination. If you are hetero and not married and are living with your girlfriend, no ordination.............. If you masturbate day and night...well..you get the point.

I agree in general with what you're saying, though I think your strokes are a bit broad and misleading.

Which part is unclear?

Will the Church ordain someone who has same sex attraction.. Yes

Has the Church ordained people who have same sex attraction.. Yes again

« Last Edit: May 23, 2011, 06:03:59 PM by Marc1152 »
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2011, 06:12:11 PM »
This is wrong! Gays may be OK as people, but they should not be allowed to use authority to influence heterosexuals into adopting their lifestyle. This is the same reason why Orthodox clergy may not be married to prostitutes.

I am surprised I have yet not to chuckle when someone uses "lifestyle" in conjunction with folks who are homosexual.

After the 100th time you'd think I be over it, but it never fails to solicit some lulz.

Now, I am capable of not eye rolling when people believe people who are homosexual are either intentionally or unintentionally attempting to attract heterosexual folks over to their side en masse.




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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2011, 06:19:14 PM »
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Has the Church ordained people who have same sex attraction.. Yes again
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2011, 06:52:38 PM »
The Orthodox also ordain Homosexuals, you can depend on it.

What we dont do is care much about someones sexual preferences. We do care about is actual behavior. So if you are Gay and sexually active with other Men, no ordination. If you are hetero and not married and are living with your girlfriend, no ordination.............. If you masturbate day and night...well..you get the point.

I agree in general with what you're saying, though I think your strokes are a bit broad and misleading.

Which part is unclear?

Will the Church ordain someone who has same sex attraction.. Yes

Has the Church ordained people who have same sex attraction.. Yes again



When you say Orthodox ordain homosexuals that doesn't imply someone who only has same sex attraction at somepoint. I think your second post clears up what was mixed. You and I may know what you're saying but not the standard passer by.

I think lifestyle is the perfect word because it differentiates between one who has feelings of attraction and one who openly and actively takes part in homosexual culture or relationships. Which, in my mind, is an important differentiation.
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2011, 08:23:43 PM »
The Orthodox also ordain Homosexuals, you can depend on it.

What we dont do is care much about someones sexual preferences. We do care about is actual behavior. So if you are Gay and sexually active with other Men, no ordination. If you are hetero and not married and are living with your girlfriend, no ordination.............. If you masturbate day and night...well..you get the point.

I agree in general with what you're saying, though I think your strokes are a bit broad and misleading.

Which part is unclear?

Will the Church ordain someone who has same sex attraction.. Yes

Has the Church ordained people who have same sex attraction.. Yes again



When you say Orthodox ordain homosexuals that doesn't imply someone who only has same sex attraction at somepoint. I think your second post clears up what was mixed. You and I may know what you're saying but not the standard passer by.

I think lifestyle is the perfect word because it differentiates between one who has feelings of attraction and one who openly and actively takes part in homosexual culture or relationships. Which, in my mind, is an important differentiation.

Okay.. I see your point now. Youre right.

It would be pretty harsh to tell gay people not to have  Homosexual sex and to devout themselves to the Church and then reject them anyway.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2011, 08:24:06 PM by Marc1152 »
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 08:41:49 PM »
So Long as they recognize that such relationships and actions which are homosexual are not to be encouraged, I see little problem with it.

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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 09:15:27 PM »
So Long as they recognize that such relationships and actions which are homosexual are not to be encouraged, I see little problem with it.
How would agreeing to ordain sexually active homosexuals not encourage or at least condone it?
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2011, 09:23:52 PM »
Is that what they are doing? In which case I would agree its bad.

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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2011, 09:41:23 PM »
The move struck down the celibacy requirement for unmarried clergy. 
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Re: Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) approves gay clergy
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2011, 03:11:01 AM »
This is wrong! Gays may be OK as people, but they should not be allowed to use authority to influence heterosexuals into adopting their lifestyle. This is the same reason why Orthodox clergy may not be married to prostitutes.

What kind of nonsense is this? Why would you think that they have any interest in trying to influence heterosexuals into adopting their lifestyle? And how is that at all comparable to prostitution? Homosexual behavior totally contradicts the sex drive of a heterosexual; prostitution does not.

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2011, 03:11:01 AM »
When you say Orthodox ordain homosexuals that doesn't imply someone who only has same sex attraction at somepoint.

Homosexual does imply someone who has predominating attractions to the same sex.