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« Reply #90 on: May 22, 2011, 04:41:43 AM »





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« Reply #91 on: May 22, 2011, 04:49:48 AM »

I'm a little sleepy, but otherwise fine.   angel


On a serious note, these jerks make Christianity look ridiculous. They have provided more grist for the mill for every smug secularist or Atheist.

Which is precisely why, in a calculated move, this whole event was so heavily reported by the media.
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« Reply #92 on: May 22, 2011, 04:50:40 AM »

PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Sounds Christian, right?
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« Reply #93 on: May 22, 2011, 04:57:48 AM »

As we all know by now, a Protestant radio preacher has advised us all that the world will end this Saturday, May 21st. While I would hope that no faithful Orthodox Christian would put any stock in such heretical musings, I know from growing up as a priest's kid that many a pastor's phone is busy this week with worried parishioners seeking reassurance after being scared to death at work or at the grocery store by  someone convinced that they are about to be raptured and their poor Orthodox neighbor is doomed.

Here are two thoughtful and cogent articles to read to put your mind at rest.

The first is a post from my friend, Fr. Jonathan's blog, Second Terrace. He is an Orthodox priest and a former Protestant preacher. His insight is really on point:  Eschatological fruitcake Part One: the Depressing Sunday. http://janotec.typepad.com/terrace/2011/05/eschatological-fruitcake.html

And for a great, catholic , point by point refutation of Camping's musings, I suggest this from the National Catholic Register: Major Supernatural Event This Saturday! (Rapture Prediction Analyzed!) http://www.ncregister.com/blog/major-supernatural-event-this-saturday/ .(It's on point whether you are a Roman Catholic, or if you view the Orthodox Church as as being the catholic one.)

Please read these, sleep tight and spare your priest a tortured phone call. His kids will thank you for sure!

There were a few slight tremors, but as far as I can see, the world is still here. Perhaps Mr. Camping  needs to make a recalibration, or better still read Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But on  a related note, how can it be that the Father knows, but the Son does not know? There is one God, and if God the Father knows, should not God the Son also know?
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« Reply #94 on: May 22, 2011, 09:15:03 AM »

as far as i can see, there are 2 scholarly schools of thought.
1. in all jewish weddings, the son would answer (to any question about the wedding) 'i don't know, ask my father', like it was a cultural thing, special for weddings. so as the end of the world includes the wedding of the bride (church) to the Lamb (Jesus), He followed the jewish tradition.
2. Jesus, God the Son gave up some of His Divine knowledge in order to come to earth and be incarnate.

i wonder if maybe it is a bit of both, but certainly now He knows, but He won't tell us coz we'll just screw up.
it's better if we spend our whole lives getting ready, rather than find out it's going to be next year and just be complacent and spend all this year sinning.
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« Reply #95 on: May 22, 2011, 09:40:10 AM »

I think Jesus's statement that only the Father knows the time of the End has to do with the Father's being the Arche of the Holy Trinity; if so, that's a plus for the Orthodox side in the argument over the Filioque.
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« Reply #96 on: May 22, 2011, 10:03:38 AM »

On a serious note, these jerks make Christianity look ridiculous. They have provided more grist for the mill for every smug secularist or Atheist.

Not to mention every other thoughtful person, of whatever religious leaning. It'd be one thing if Camping and other modern day heretical nuts were the only ones, but people with names like St. Paul the Apostle and St. Maximos the Confessor (and literally millions of others) also thought that their times were the end of the world. They were obviously wrong. Makes you wonder.
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« Reply #97 on: May 22, 2011, 01:18:50 PM »

Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But on  a related note, how can it be that the Father knows, but the Son does not know? There is one God, and if God the Father knows, should not God the Son also know?

There's actually a thread on this: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28594.0.html
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« Reply #98 on: May 22, 2011, 01:40:47 PM »

PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Can you get cable up there?  Wink
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« Reply #99 on: May 22, 2011, 01:47:48 PM »

PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Can you get cable up there?  Wink

cable? aw cmon heaven don't need wires. free wifi and dishnetwork for everyone  laugh
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« Reply #100 on: May 22, 2011, 02:56:08 PM »

Matthew 24:36: "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." But on  a related note, how can it be that the Father knows, but the Son does not know? There is one God, and if God the Father knows, should not God the Son also know?

There's actually a thread on this: http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28594.0.html
Thanks for this link. In reading through the posts on the thread, the answer appears to be more complicated than I thought.
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« Reply #101 on: May 22, 2011, 05:35:41 PM »

PS: I was raptured and am typing this from the third heaven where I will co-reign with our Lord as the rest of you plebs suffer the tribulation.

Can you get cable up there?  Wink

Yes, but there's a few too many American evangelicals for my taste.
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« Reply #102 on: May 22, 2011, 07:53:19 PM »

I just cut the grass in the back-yard (most of it, have to go get gas), even tho it is only knee-deep (versus the usual hip deep). The neighbors on that side are pretty certain that this means the Rapture happened and they were among the Chosen. However, the neighbors on the front yard side are in despair - they feel Unchosen!
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« Reply #103 on: May 22, 2011, 11:01:47 PM »

We had our annual ceremony where the sunday school teachers hand out certificates to the children at the end of the school year. Before presenting the certificates, the woman who runs the sunday school program mentioned that all the families weren't there this morning because of schedule conflicts or something. For some reason, having people "not here" after yesterday made me think of this.
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« Reply #104 on: May 23, 2011, 10:45:31 AM »

I'm still here. Grin Oh, wait. Aren't we Orthodox "heretics" supposed to be left behind? Cry

As I look around the neighborhood, there are a lot of unmowed lawns.....

Wait.  Never mind, they were just foreclosed, not raptured....
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« Reply #105 on: May 24, 2011, 09:27:20 AM »

The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
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OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001
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« Reply #106 on: May 24, 2011, 09:47:11 AM »

The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press  

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001


So this explains it all.....  "But Camping said that he's now realized the apocalypse will come five months after May 21, the original date he predicted. He had earlier said Oct. 21 was when the globe would be consumed by a fireball.
Saturday was "an invisible judgment day" in which a spiritual judgment took place, he said. But the timing and the structure is the same as it has always been, he said."

That part must be in the invisible ink section of his Sola Bible. Yuck. To borrow and rephrase a saying from  Forrest Gump, "Heretics are as heretics do."

In my opinion, we waste a lot of time quibbling with schismatics around here and very little time condemning the true heretics and distorters of the faith. People like Camping and LaHaye create the mass culture's popular distortion and mocking of Christian Faith and they do much to diminish all of the rest of us as they con the gullible out of house and home. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,36362.0.html

Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other.
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« Reply #107 on: May 24, 2011, 10:39:28 AM »

The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press 

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001


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« Reply #108 on: May 24, 2011, 11:08:21 AM »

The man won't give up:

Radio host now says Judgment Day coming in October
Camping says he took refuge in a motel when his May 21 prediction didn't come true

By GARANCE BURKE
The Associated Press  

OAKLAND, Calif. — California preacher Harold Camping said Monday his prophecy that the world would end was off by five months because Judgment Day actually will come on Oct. 21.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43140373/?gt1=43001


So this explains it all.....  "But Camping said that he's now realized the apocalypse will come five months after May 21, the original date he predicted. He had earlier said Oct. 21 was when the globe would be consumed by a fireball.
Saturday was "an invisible judgment day" in which a spiritual judgment took place, he said. But the timing and the structure is the same as it has always been, he said."

That part must be in the invisible ink section of his Sola Bible. Yuck. To borrow and rephrase a saying from  Forrest Gump, "Heretics are as heretics do."

In my opinion, we waste a lot of time quibbling with schismatics around here and very little time condemning the true heretics and distorters of the faith. People like Camping and LaHaye create the mass culture's popular distortion and mocking of Christian Faith and they do much to diminish all of the rest of us as they con the gullible out of house and home. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,36362.0.html

Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other.

I mentioned it, in my sermon, as a false prophecy.  Several people came up to me during the coffee hour and we had a good discussion about rapture and the end times in the Orthodox Tradition.  I told them the only end of the world we need to be concerned about is yours' when we die.
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« Reply #109 on: May 24, 2011, 11:58:17 AM »


Since those rapturist types don't believe that we and the Romans are even Christians, we ought not to keep our mouths shut and we need to educate our own about the truth. How many folks in your own parish probably think that the Rapture heresies are actually biblical and part of tradition, rather than a fever induced fantasy of a 19th century Scottish girl? Don't assume none, there are far, far more than you want to know. Ask your priest. He will tell you. Our Bishops need to preach the truth about these issues and use our publications and media outlets to denounce this nonsense rather than each other.
My priest talked about it in his sermon (and I was saying "whoo-hoo!" in my head).

Sadly enough, I talked to my mother in law, who actually believes in the rapture, but didn't think that it would happen. She said, "I can only hope that talking about this will bring people to Christianity."

 Undecided Uh.......I was flabbergasted. I had NO idea what to say to that.
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