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« on: May 17, 2011, 09:19:22 PM »

Anyone have any comments on this?

Does this sound like a good policy?

'New Vatican Sex Abuse Guidelines Don't Require Reporting Abuse To Authorities' - Video

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2011, 11:59:08 PM »

Just the fact that it's on a site with the slogan 'destroying the New World Order' makes me less than hopeful that this will be the best quality news source.  Roll Eyes

You might want to go to, say, an actual site operated by the church in question.
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 12:53:02 AM »

Just the fact that it's on a site with the slogan 'destroying the New World Order' makes me less than hopeful that this will be the best quality news source.  Roll Eyes

You might want to go to, say, an actual site operated by the church in question.

Why - are you one of the ones that doesn't believe that there is such a thing as the New World Order?

The video is a clip from CNN... What difference what site hosts it?

It's a news clip!

There are Roman Catholics here... I thought they might address it. Is that OK w/ you?

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 03:49:02 AM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 04:12:06 AM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 08:42:29 AM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 11:54:46 AM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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Don't be so naive. It should be, but it very often is not in the first instance. Schools, particularly principals, far too often try to cover up the first signs of a potential problem by internalizing the investigation. It is an institutional reflexive action not limited to the church. Health care facilities have been known to do the same.
In fact, teachers are more likely to commit acts of pedophilia or pedastry than priests.
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« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2011, 07:43:20 PM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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Don't be so naive. It should be, but it very often is not in the first instance. Schools, particularly principals, far too often try to cover up the first signs of a potential problem by internalizing the investigation. It is an institutional reflexive action not limited to the church. Health care facilities have been known to do the same.

So what?!?

Just because other institutions do it - don't mean diddly.

An institution which claims to be a Church should be held to a higher standard... they should hold themselves to a higher standard!

Stop trying to justify the unjustifiable.

Allegations of conduct between consenting adults is one thing... allegations of child sexual abuse ARE ON A WHOLE 'NOTHER LEVEL!!

I for one am sick of these disgusting child molesters hiding behind the institution and the institution hiding them. ENOUGH!!

And people like you trying to justify it all somehow is even worse.

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Innocent until proven guilty? Yes, but also-

Under investigation until declared not guilty.

What I can't understand is what kind of parent would not report this type of allegation from their child?!?

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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2011, 07:46:21 PM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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Don't be so naive. It should be, but it very often is not in the first instance. Schools, particularly principals, far too often try to cover up the first signs of a potential problem by internalizing the investigation. It is an institutional reflexive action not limited to the church. Health care facilities have been known to do the same.
In fact, teachers are more likely to commit acts of pedophilia or pedastry than priests.

Again... So what?!?

Which group is more likely to report allegations of criminal child abuse to the police like they should?

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« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 07:57:54 PM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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Don't be so naive. It should be, but it very often is not in the first instance. Schools, particularly principals, far too often try to cover up the first signs of a potential problem by internalizing the investigation. It is an institutional reflexive action not limited to the church. Health care facilities have been known to do the same.
In fact, teachers are more likely to commit acts of pedophilia or pedastry than priests.

Again... So what?!?

Which group is more likely to report allegations of criminal child abuse to the police like they should?

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Nowadays? Probably the Church
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« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 05:32:43 AM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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Don't be so naive. It should be, but it very often is not in the first instance. Schools, particularly principals, far too often try to cover up the first signs of a potential problem by internalizing the investigation. It is an institutional reflexive action not limited to the church. Health care facilities have been known to do the same.
In fact, teachers are more likely to commit acts of pedophilia or pedastry than priests.
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« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2011, 05:50:08 AM »

Of course it is a good policy. Are all civil governments the same? It is a terrible idea to absolutely require reporting allegations to all civil authorities. You can't have a universal template on this when there are plenty of hostile civil authorities out there which do not respect the rule of law.

Well, that sounds good on paper... but why then is it happening in Boston?

If a teacher or a swim coach or a babysitter or anybody else is accused - including you and I - it's reported immediately isn't it?

Why should they be any different?

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Don't be so naive. It should be, but it very often is not in the first instance. Schools, particularly principals, far too often try to cover up the first signs of a potential problem by internalizing the investigation. It is an institutional reflexive action not limited to the church. Health care facilities have been known to do the same.
In fact, teachers are more likely to commit acts of pedophilia or pedastry than priests.

Again... So what?!?

Which group is more likely to report allegations of criminal child abuse to the police like they should?

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Right. When I was a Roman Catholic, I used to harp on this point, that teachers, therapists, other ministers in other faiths, and even the general population, were all just as, if not more likely to commit such acts than Catholic priests. I still believe this, and I didn't take the Rod Dreher route, i.e., drop the RC church for Orthodoxy because of the scandal, but I did develop increasing doubts about the issue: the problem, vis a vis the church herself, wasnt the abuse itself, or the occurrence of it, but the handling of it, both because of how widespread and universal the "cover-it-up and shuttle 'em around" approach became, and because the poor handling got closer and closer to Rome (Cardinal Law, etc.). I held, and still hold the RC clergy, at-large to a particularly high standard because of her claims about herself.

I have really come to understand the EO church and Her hierarchy, as my priest here in Russia put it to me (albeit far more eloquently in Russian than I am able to reproduce in English from memory), as being an expression of the Faith, the bride of Christ, which holds the faith together, as opposed to what I see in the RC church, that is, the Church being the source of the faith. It's a minor distinction, kind of a chicken and egg thing, but I think that the RC model inherently implies that the RC hierarchy should not be subject to such widespread error.
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