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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #45 on: May 18, 2011, 12:21:10 AM »
You all are really losing the point of this thread . . .

Your rules are really raining on my parade.  Half the movies I like (Three Amigos, Spaceballs, etc.) were intended to be campy.  8)

What about Bloodsport? I would think that Van Damme was too full of himself to be in a movie that he knew was intended to be schlocky or campy or corny.

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #46 on: May 18, 2011, 12:26:51 AM »
LOL ALL of Van Damme's movies are super schlocky. My sister loves him without any irony whatsoever. I think he's hilarious.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2011, 12:33:38 AM »
It's tough to pick, but I'd have to go with "Hangar 18." Now I think I could shoot a better film with the 'budget' I have in my wallet, but back when I saw it, it freaked the daylights out of me.  :D
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2011, 01:20:55 AM »
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2011, 02:12:47 AM »
RE: Troma films.

When schlock is done for schlock sake, I don't think it counts.
Agreed.
Plus, I used to know a lot of the folks at Troma, and even during my darker years, I didn't enjoy them much at all.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #50 on: May 18, 2011, 02:14:40 AM »
I would have gone with Point Break and Roadhouse, but as they've been mentioned, I'll go ahead and mention Iron Eagle.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #51 on: May 18, 2011, 02:28:10 AM »
I went to the Troma website and it looked pretty raunchy to me so I left. However, after going there it did bring back memories of a movie that I liked when I was in middle school called "Serial Mom". I wouldn't recommend that movie because it's pretty bad but I had memorized just about the whole movie. Very Schlocky at the time and not too many people have heard of it now. I guess that is because it was directed by John Waters. Anyways..

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2011, 08:42:25 PM »
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2011, 09:07:48 PM »
How about Dune, (1984), does it qualify?   I love the move, but everyone else seems to hate it.

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2011, 09:51:51 PM »
Does Sean Connery's awful movie Zardoz deserve a spot?  It's got a giant flying skull, and 1970's sci-fi pantsuits, and did I mention.....A FLYING SKULL?
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2011, 10:04:01 PM »
How about Dune, (1984), does it qualify?   I love the move, but everyone else seems to hate it.

The one directed David Lynch?

Nope. Pretty good in my opinion. Especially, within the light of the entirety of his work. He can tell a decent story when reigned in (The Elephant Man). And can tackle a variety of subject matter.

But I can see how others would disagree.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2011, 10:59:05 PM »
Does Sean Connery's awful movie Zardoz deserve a spot?  It's got a giant flying skull, and 1970's sci-fi pantsuits, and did I mention.....A FLYING SKULL?

Strange, I found this a rather deep, thought provoking, sci-fi movie along with "Dark Star" that also came out in 1974. Then again, I really like Jim Henson's "The Christmas Toy" and perhaps it is just me.

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
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« Reply #59 on: May 18, 2011, 11:46:36 PM »
Does Sean Connery's awful movie Zardoz deserve a spot?  It's got a giant flying skull, and 1970's sci-fi pantsuits, and did I mention.....A FLYING SKULL?
How about Phantasm? flying spheres with razors sticking out
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2011, 12:12:32 AM »
Battlefield Earth is another "masterpiece". Horrible acting and a ridiculous plot, yet thoroughly entertaining to watch. This is easily the worst performance Travolta has ever given. What was he going for? Thespian extraordinaire? Sounds like he rehearsed for a Shakespeare parody, not a Sci-Fi flick.

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #61 on: May 19, 2011, 01:42:36 AM »
LOL ALL of Van Damme's movies are super schlocky. My sister loves him without any irony whatsoever. I think he's hilarious.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #62 on: May 19, 2011, 07:04:37 AM »
How about Dune, (1984), does it qualify?   I love the move, but everyone else seems to hate it.

The one directed David Lynch?

Nope. Pretty good in my opinion. Especially, within the light of the entirety of his work. He can tell a decent story when reigned in (The Elephant Man). And can tackle a variety of subject matter.

But I can see how others would disagree.


I love Lynch's Dune. People tend to criticize it for its lack of faithfulness to the novel (apparently Lynch himself is rather embarrassed by it) but I simply appreciate it on its own merits. Its surreal imagery and soundtrack have haunted me since I was little. I also thoroughly enjoy watching Sting jump up and down, yelling "I will kill him!!!"
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #63 on: May 19, 2011, 07:08:22 AM »
Does Sean Connery's awful movie Zardoz deserve a spot?  It's got a giant flying skull, and 1970's sci-fi pantsuits, and did I mention.....A FLYING SKULL?

More like a flying tiki head. I don't know if Zardoz is "awful", but it's perhaps weighed down with ideas and has some very silly moments. It's a very interesting failure. I remember listening to the director's commentary (don't laugh at me) and the director (Jon Boorman) said something like, "I cannot believe my hubris when I was making this film." But the opening scene with the flying stone head is, in my opinion, genius.

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #64 on: May 19, 2011, 08:23:35 AM »
PEOPLE. Dune IS schlock. That is all.  8)
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #65 on: May 19, 2011, 09:26:33 AM »
Does Sean Connery's awful movie Zardoz deserve a spot?  It's got a giant flying skull, and 1970's sci-fi pantsuits, and did I mention.....A FLYING SKULL?

More like a flying tiki head.

You're right.  A bearded tiki head is a much better description.  Now if you want a really excellent Sean Connery sci-fi/fantasy movies, my absolute favorite is the original Highlander;  the sequels could be voted best schlocky movies, but the first is really well done.  I've probably seen it 2 dozen times and never grow tired of it.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #66 on: May 19, 2011, 09:31:27 AM »
Apparently Zardoz was originally supposed to be an adaptation of the Lord of the Rings, then the licensing fell through....
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #67 on: May 19, 2011, 02:17:24 PM »
Does Sean Connery's awful movie Zardoz deserve a spot?  It's got a giant flying skull, and 1970's sci-fi pantsuits, and did I mention.....A FLYING SKULL?
How about Phantasm? flying spheres with razors sticking out
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #68 on: May 19, 2011, 02:19:44 PM »
This thread like most is coming off the rails.

What is your favorite schlocky movie?

That is a movie you have watched more than a few times and thoroughly enjoy and ain't some self-referential, low post-modern, low ironic film. IOW a film that was that ostensibly was made for straightforward mass entertainment.

Toss another of mine into the mix Bring it on!

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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2011, 02:22:11 PM »

Toss another of mine into the mix Bring it on!


I was WAITING for someone to mention Bring it On!! I am surprised it was you!  :D (Or should I not be, given your apparent love for teenage-girl films?)

I don't know if "Blades of Glory" is schlock. I guess they're kind of self aware, but I have not really liked any Will Ferrell movies....However, I watched "Blades of Glory" in an airplane and was publicly hushed all around for screaming with laughter during naptime hours....it's the one movie in my collection that I have to explain to all guests. (95% of the other films are foreign films.)
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #70 on: May 19, 2011, 02:26:17 PM »
Oh yeah, one that might qualify for many of you:

That piece of tripe about the Orthodox monk called The Island in English.

Pure schlock.

And pretty much any film about Jesus except for maybe Mel Gibson's film, which actually has many redeemable qualities.

OK, now I have another I just thought of while writing the above Cecil B. Demille's The Ten Commandments, the 1956 version. Can't think of an Easter (oops, Pascha) without it.

If you ain't seen his version from 1923, I strongly advise you do. Rather interesting.
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« Reply #71 on: May 19, 2011, 02:29:48 PM »

Toss another of mine into the mix Bring it on!


I was WAITING for someone to mention Bring it On!! I am surprised it was you!  :D (Or should I not be, given your apparent love for teenage-girl films?)

I don't know if "Blades of Glory" is schlock. I guess they're kind of self aware, but I have not really liked any Will Ferrell movies....However, I watched "Blades of Glory" in an airplane and was publicly hushed all around for screaming with laughter during naptime hours....it's the one movie in my collection that I have to explain to all guests. (95% of the other films are foreign films.)

Told you I love those silly high school underdog movies.

Blades of Glory ain't schlock. It is ****ing brilliant. Arguably one of the best pure comedies of the last eight years. I saw it the first time with a gaggle of 14 year old boys, it was a blast. Probably watch it every six months. I have to say I laugh as hard every time.

Mean Girls is the only other contender to the crown. Again my penchant for the whole high school ugly duckling thing. Great movie.

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« Reply #72 on: May 19, 2011, 02:34:57 PM »

Toss another of mine into the mix Bring it on!


I was WAITING for someone to mention Bring it On!! I am surprised it was you!  :D (Or should I not be, given your apparent love for teenage-girl films?)

My stupid and embarrassingly love for good romcoms and such nonsense like Bring it on! (don't even bring up the TV I am watch) plus a willingness to dance without a drink in my hand with just about any woman at a wedding reception or elsewhere has allowed me to overcome my physical and personality defects when it comes to attracting the opposite sex.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2011, 02:55:08 PM »

My stupid and embarrassingly love for good romcoms and such nonsense like Bring it on! (don't even bring up the TV I am watch) plus a willingness to dance without a drink in my hand with just about any woman at a wedding reception or elsewhere has allowed me to overcome my physical and personality defects when it comes to attracting the opposite sex.
If you didn't post your picture here, I would think that you are one of my best friends from college, who would watch romcoms with me and cry (he also begged me to watch the SATC movie with him!). You don't knit, do you?  ;)

By the way, dancing with a lot of women anywhere gets you a million points. I am sure you know that first-hand, it sounds like.


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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2011, 02:56:23 PM »
Pumping Iron

I'm not sure how much they sensed that it was going to be schlocky. The way they talk about trying to get the film financed and made makes me think that they took it quite seriously, even if they admitted that it was also a somewhat crazy subculture. But either way, I love the film, and there are some great lines in there. I do find the delusions that George Butler and others have about the film to be comical, but having said that, at least they're honest enough to admit that some of it was fiction and set up to create a better story (though Butler is still willing to fib about things in interviews to make the story sound better).
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« Reply #75 on: May 19, 2011, 03:37:24 PM »
Starship Trooper FTW! Never has such cheez been so much fun.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #76 on: May 19, 2011, 04:05:50 PM »
Starship Trooper FTW! Never has such cheez been so much fun.

Starship Trooper is disqualified on account of being pure irony. The odd thing is, a lot of people took it seriously. My friend and I were the only people in the theater laughing.

For my part, I'll throw in Sergio Corbucci's Django. Outside of the Leone films, spaghetti westerns tend to be on the schlocky side.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2011, 04:17:47 PM »
Oh yeah, one that might qualify for many of you:

That piece of tripe about the Orthodox monk called The Island in English.

Pure schlock.

You are making a pretty big throwdown Orthonorm by describing Ostrov Island as a schlock movie!  Pray tell what makes this a schlock movie by any standard?  A little fantastical but not any more so than reading the lives of the saints.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2011, 04:26:43 PM »
Starship Trooper FTW! Never has such cheez been so much fun.

Starship Trooper is disqualified on account of being pure irony. The odd thing is, a lot of people took it seriously. My friend and I were the only people in the theater laughing.

For my part, I'll throw in Sergio Corbucci's Django. Outside of the Leone films, spaghetti westerns tend to be on the schlocky side.

Thank you for getting the point. Heinlein though as an author basically killed the whole time travel genre brilliantly in a single short story. A wonderful story and a quick read: All You Zombies.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2011, 04:37:54 PM »
Oh yeah, one that might qualify for many of you:

That piece of tripe about the Orthodox monk called The Island in English.

Pure schlock.

You are making a pretty big throwdown Orthonorm by describing Ostrov Island as a schlock movie!  Pray tell what makes this a schlock movie by any standard?  A little fantastical but not any more so than reading the lives of the saints.

You're right, some of the accounts of the lives of the Saints are almost pure lulz. You really have to aware of the genre of the various times they were written in to bracket out a lot of baggage the stories carry that smack trite to the (post/hyper)-modern reader, especially those written in the wake of mediaval legendary genre.

Sorry, but if you ain't at least chuckling at some of those stories or rolling your eyes, you might want to check for the sin of piety.

Sorry, but unfortunately for most Saints, they did not have an author the caliber of Shakespeare or even a Dostoyevsky telling their stories.

The Island is utterly predictable, sentimental, pedantic, hackneyed, stilted (continue every cliched flaw in story telling).

It's only redeeming characteristic is that the director had the restraint and creativity of an art school student to pick up some nice environmentals.

Outside the story, the other lulz is that the actor playing the lead caricature (not sure if a real human shows up in the entire film), said he basically played himself in the role.

It is a bad Orthodox superhero film.

But if you like it, that's great. That is the point of this thread.


 

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2011, 04:41:25 PM »
My wifes fav. is : "The Dairy" total girls movie.. If I am forced to see it one more time...........

Mine is "Horse Soldiers" ..total boys Movie and real schlocky... John Wayne. Here is my favorite part:

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« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2011, 04:43:20 PM »
My wifes fav. is : "The Dairy" total girls movie.. If I am forced to see it one more time...........

Mine is "Horse Soldiers" ..total boys Movie and real schlocky... John Wayne. Here is my favorite part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW7PPpyo6yw



Pretty much anything with John Wayne qualifies. Please let me know if there is anything redeemable in his career. Lulz, at his role as the Centurion. One of the funniest moments in Hollywood ever.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2011, 04:53:07 PM »
Bubba Hotep, best bad movie ever.

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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2011, 05:04:23 PM »
Re: lives of the saints, I find the "legendary" parts some of the most moving and worthwhile. If they are not literally "true", then think of them like flowers around someone's grave. I have no interest in modern scholarship's attempt to construct the "historic" St. Patrick or whoever. The growth of "legendary" matter around a saint is a testament to the vitality of the cult. Modern "objective" historicism is no more truthful than the medieval folklore, but it's a hell of a lot more boring.

In terms of writing, some lives of saints are better than others. A lot of Metaphrastes' lives are beautifully written, in my opinion.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2011, 05:05:22 PM »
Oh yeah, one that might qualify for many of you:

That piece of tripe about the Orthodox monk called The Island in English.

Pure schlock.

You are making a pretty big throwdown Orthonorm by describing Ostrov Island as a schlock movie!  Pray tell what makes this a schlock movie by any standard?  A little fantastical but not any more so than reading the lives of the saints.

You're right, some of the accounts of the lives of the Saints are almost pure lulz. You really have to aware of the genre of the various times they were written in to bracket out a lot of baggage the stories carry that smack trite to the (post/hyper)-modern reader, especially those written in the wake of mediaval legendary genre.

Sorry, but if you ain't at least chuckling at some of those stories or rolling your eyes, you might want to check for the sin of piety.

Sorry, but unfortunately for most Saints, they did not have an author the caliber of Shakespeare or even a Dostoyevsky telling their stories.

The Island is utterly predictable, sentimental, pedantic, hackneyed, stilted (continue every cliched flaw in story telling).

It's only redeeming characteristic is that the director had the restraint and creativity of an art school student to pick up some nice environmentals.

Outside the story, the other lulz is that the actor playing the lead caricature (not sure if a real human shows up in the entire film), said he basically played himself in the role.

It is a bad Orthodox superhero film.

But if you like it, that's great. That is the point of this thread.


 



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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2011, 05:11:27 PM »

Sorry, but if you ain't at least chuckling at some of those stories or rolling your eyes, you might want to check for the sin of piety.


Since when has piety been a sin?  False piety, pomposity, pride, perjury, perhaps, but piety?  Preposterous.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2011, 05:12:56 PM »
Oh yeah, one that might qualify for many of you:

That piece of tripe about the Orthodox monk called The Island in English.

Pure schlock.

You are making a pretty big throwdown Orthonorm by describing Ostrov Island as a schlock movie!  Pray tell what makes this a schlock movie by any standard?  A little fantastical but not any more so than reading the lives of the saints.

You're right, some of the accounts of the lives of the Saints are almost pure lulz. You really have to aware of the genre of the various times they were written in to bracket out a lot of baggage the stories carry that smack trite to the (post/hyper)-modern reader, especially those written in the wake of mediaval legendary genre.

Sorry, but if you ain't at least chuckling at some of those stories or rolling your eyes, you might want to check for the sin of piety.

Sorry, but unfortunately for most Saints, they did not have an author the caliber of Shakespeare or even a Dostoyevsky telling their stories.

The Island is utterly predictable, sentimental, pedantic, hackneyed, stilted (continue every cliched flaw in story telling).

It's only redeeming characteristic is that the director had the restraint and creativity of an art school student to pick up some nice environmentals.

Outside the story, the other lulz is that the actor playing the lead caricature (not sure if a real human shows up in the entire film), said he basically played himself in the role.

It is a bad Orthodox superhero film.

But if you like it, that's great. That is the point of this thread.


 



Wow, for the use of the above bolded words I think I have just lost all respect for you.   :'(

I've lost the respect of others for fewer words. Like it or not, this thread doesn't exist outside that nebulous description of our time.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2011, 05:17:16 PM »

Sorry, but if you ain't at least chuckling at some of those stories or rolling your eyes, you might want to check for the sin of piety.


Since when has piety been a sin?  False piety, pomposity, pride, perjury, perhaps, but piety?  Preposterous.

Then you are not familiar with its full usage in the English language. It can mean engaging the trappings of "religious" or "spiritual" life without much else going on.

"False piety" can be conveyed in English by simply using the word "piety". If you want to know how it is being used look at the context. In what I wrote, it is pretty clear which.

It is a case of an ironic use of a word becoming part of the standard usage.
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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2011, 05:23:42 PM »
Re: lives of the saints, I find the "legendary" parts some of the most moving and worthwhile. If they are not literally "true", then think of them like flowers around someone's grave. I have no interest in modern scholarship's attempt to construct the "historic" St. Patrick or whoever. The growth of "legendary" matter around a saint is a testament to the vitality of the cult. Modern "objective" historicism is no more truthful than the medieval folklore, but it's a hell of a lot more boring.

In terms of writing, some lives of saints are better than others. A lot of Metaphrastes' lives are beautifully written, in my opinion.

Some folks do like the legendary embellishments. Some people like to go to Ren-Fest. To each their own. I would not be able give you some examples off the top of my head. I'll have to ask my friend who is really into this sorta stuff. He is a rather close lay student of legends. And he occasionally will pull out an example of a life of a Saint that is just hilarious.

And my post did not suggest anything about "objectivity" or even "historicism". I mentioned genre criticism. Which everyone with a modicum of education engages in. It is just a matter to what degree and how explicitly.

After all, we do talk about parables, psalms, wisdom literature, etc. all the time here. And I think most would say they are not to be read the same way.

Anyway we are getting off track.



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Re: What is your favorite "schlocky" movie?
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2011, 07:54:24 PM »
Re: lives of the saints, I find the "legendary" parts some of the most moving and worthwhile. If they are not literally "true", then think of them like flowers around someone's grave. I have no interest in modern scholarship's attempt to construct the "historic" St. Patrick or whoever. The growth of "legendary" matter around a saint is a testament to the vitality of the cult. Modern "objective" historicism is no more truthful than the medieval folklore, but it's a hell of a lot more boring.

In terms of writing, some lives of saints are better than others. A lot of Metaphrastes' lives are beautifully written, in my opinion.

Some folks do like the legendary embellishments. Some people like to go to Ren-Fest.

I've never been to Ren-Fest but I do love poetry and see truth in poetry, and try to see poetry in the world. And, like Elder Porphyrios says, that's an important part of being Christian. Yes, I am writing this message to you on the internet in the year 2011 where I can download ancient chants onto an iPod while watching Conan the Destroyer. Yes, we are all influenced and colored by modernity. I don't understand why such an aura of profundity is attached to such obvious and banal observations. It doesn't change what Truth is- Christ, the same, yesterday, today, tomorrow.

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And my post did not suggest anything about "objectivity" or even "historicism". I mentioned genre criticism. Which everyone with a modicum of education engages in. It is just a matter to what degree and how explicitly.

You mentioned "bracketing out" the "baggage" that doesn't fit our modern sensibilities, which seems to me to go far beyond any genre criticism. Why would you want to do such a thing?

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After all, we do talk about parables, psalms, wisdom literature, etc. all the time here. And I think most would say they are not to be read the same way.

And we don't dismiss the Psalms or ridicule them because David occasionally mentions mountains leaping with joy.

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Anyway we are getting off track.


Yes, back to schlock. Conan the Destroyer (though I think ...the Barbarian is actually a fine film).
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