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Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« on: May 15, 2011, 10:36:45 PM »
i am searching for a Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity. where do i find it? and what is it?
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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 11:16:31 PM »
Vocalist of Swedish Christian Metal band Crimson Moonlight, the face of Swedish Christianity:


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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 12:24:18 AM »
i am searching for a Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity. where do i find it? and what is it?

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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2011, 05:51:09 PM »
Vocalist of Swedish Christian Metal band Crimson Moonlight, the face of Swedish Christianity:



Btw, I recall seeing him wearing a Death to the World t-shirt so perhaps the face of Swedish Christianity is Orthodox. :angel:

My candidate for the face of Scandinavian Christianity would be of course our very own archbishop of Finland:


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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2011, 07:27:25 PM »
The vocalist of the band Crimson Moonlight uses the stage name Pilgrim. I believe he currently self identifies as orthodox and has joined some self made group that try to use as many ancient practices as they can.

There seems to be a trend for ancient christianity going on in scandinavia at the moment. Hopefully these growing groups will take the critical step in seeking out an orthodox bishop to take direction from.

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Pilgrim's blog: http://www.pilgrimafkorpasen.blogspot.com/
The group he has joined: http://www.evangelicalorthodox.org/

If someone knows what these "evangelical orthodox" are about, then please share.
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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 08:42:45 PM »
Swedish Christianity, historically, has been Evangelical Lutheran for the most part since the Protestant Reformation in the 1500's.  The Swedish Lutheran Church is very similar to the Anglican or Episcopal Church in that it has an episcopal form of government. The Swedish Lutheran Church also has a very dignified liturgy that preserves the historic order of the Mass, much like you might see in a "Evangelical Catholic" congregation in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod here in the United States. Unfortunately, at least since the middle of the last century, the Church of Sweden has been quite lukewarm theologically.  Like most State Churches, it permits almost every conceivable kind of belief these days, and doesn't seem to hold its pastors to even historic Lutheran beliefs much anymore. Theologically, it is very similar to the Episcopal Church in the United States, in that it is very progressive. It has ordained women to the priesthood since the 1960's.  It has no problem with the gay agenda and has recently appointed a lesbian as the Bishop of Stockholm.  The Church of Sweden has also recently approved of same sex marriages.  Nevertheless, there are still pockets of traditionalists and conservatives in the Church of Sweden, although they are not in positions of authority. In terms of liturgical services, the Church of Sweden is still very traditional. Worship is usually accompanied by a pipe organ and the churches closely follow the liturgy and rarely deviate from it.  The liturgy of the Church of Sweden is a modified form of the Roman Catholic Mass.

Here are a few examples of services:

1. A Selection from the Swedish Eucharist:  http://youtu.be/cx2N-J2ujuk

2. The First Sunday of Advent from Falu Cathedral: http://youtu.be/wzYdPHAjZWI

3. Vespers from Uppsala Cathedral on the Feast of the Beheading of St. John the Baptist: http://youtu.be/MiTHGXtmE9U

These videos should give you a feel for the Church of Sweden.

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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 08:50:03 PM »
Swedish Christianity, historically, has been Evangelical Lutheran for the most part since the Protestant Reformation in the 1500's.  The Swedish Lutheran Church is very similar to the Anglican or Episcopal Church in that it has an episcopal form of government. The Swedish Lutheran Church also has a very dignified liturgy that preserves the historic order of the Mass, much like you might see in a "Evangelical Catholic" congregation in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod here in the United States. Unfortunately, at least since the middle of the last century, the Church of Sweden has been quite lukewarm theologically.  Like most State Churches, it permits almost every conceivable kind of belief these days, and doesn't seem to hold its pastors to even historic Lutheran beliefs much anymore. Theologically, it is very similar to the Episcopal Church in the United States, in that it is very progressive. It has ordained women to the priesthood since the 1960's.  It has no problem with the gay agenda and has recently appointed a lesbian as the Bishop of Stockholm.  The Church of Sweden has also recently approved of same sex marriages.  Nevertheless, there are still pockets of traditionalists and conservatives in the Church of Sweden, although they are not in positions of authority. In terms of liturgical services, the Church of Sweden is still very traditional. Worship is usually accompanied by a pipe organ and the churches closely follow the liturgy and rarely deviate from it.  The liturgy of the Church of Sweden is a modified form of the Roman Catholic Mass.

Here are a few examples of services:

1. A Selection from the Swedish Eucharist:  http://youtu.be/cx2N-J2ujuk

2. The First Sunday of Advent from Falu Cathedral: http://youtu.be/wzYdPHAjZWI

3. Vespers from Uppsala Cathedral on the Feast of the Beheading of St. John the Baptist: http://youtu.be/MiTHGXtmE9U

These videos should give you a feel for the Church of Sweden.
Church of Sweden? ??? But this Church is very heterodox!
searching for the church that is both catholic and orthodox...

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Re: Swedish (or scandinavian) christianity.
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 08:54:13 PM »
If someone knows what these "evangelical orthodox" are about, then please share.
The "about us" on that page is sadly lacking in detail. The movement grew out of Campus Crusades for Christ in the '70s and sought to figure out what the original Church taught. I don't know about how it is now, but one of their major distinctions back then was that they had married bishops.
Eventually the majority of the organization was admitted into Communion by the Antiochans. I seem to recall only one of their local groups refused to enter.

Anyway, you can read about them up to their joining with the Church in Fr. Peter Gillquist's book "Becoming Orthodox", although the book itself is aimed at Protestants looking at the Orthodox Church and spends significant time dealing with things that may be of issue to Protestants (such as veneration of the Theotokos).

A number of its former editors were also behind the Orthodox Study Bible. My first priest was also a member of the movement. Those who joined the Orthodox Church are very Orthodox. I have no idea about those who stayed out.