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« on: May 15, 2011, 11:50:59 AM »

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    Does anyone know where to get the type of throw rugs that we see in Orthodox Churches?  I am trying to find a smaller version for my prayer corner, if it does not cost and arm and a leg.  The trouble is that when I google "prayer rug," I have a lot of hits pertaining to islamic prayer rugs, which I am trying to stay away from.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 12:16:25 PM »

 I went to several Church Supply sites, but couldn't come up with anything, sorry. The Russian old believers use something called a podruchnik, but that is only for the hands and face I think.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 12:35:30 PM »

I am not sure if you want to go to a local carpet store, but they may have smaller segments for less money.
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 01:27:04 PM »

What do you mean by "a prayer rug"?
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 01:30:19 PM »

What do you mean by "a prayer rug"?

I think it's a rug that you pray on.  Tongue  I guess not everyone wants to get a nickname like "camel knees"...
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 02:15:43 PM »

The special kind carpet you are searching for is called either "rug" or "carpet". They can sometimes be hard to find as they are sold exclusively at a place called "local carpet store".
 
Grin Grin I'm so sorry, I'm trying to be funny when obviously I'm not.

Seriously though there is nothing to it. A carpet is a carpet, and the ones used in churches are also bog ordinary carpets.

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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 02:39:29 PM »

The special kind carpet you are searching for is called either "rug" or "carpet". They can sometimes be hard to find as they are sold exclusively at a place called "local carpet store".
 
Grin Grin I'm so sorry, I'm trying to be funny when obviously I'm not.

Seriously though there is nothing to it. A carpet is a carpet, and the ones used in churches are also bog ordinary carpets.

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I purchased a plain one from Wal-Mart for about $15-$20. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 03:09:22 PM »

Walmart? That just seems so... so... profane! Shouldn't we be buying these things from places with names like "Eastern Orthodox Christian Goods," having them blessed by a priest after sitting on an altar for 40 days, not allowing pets to touch them, keeping them out of bathrooms and utility rooms even when we want to clean them, etc.?  Huh  Tongue
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 03:14:42 PM »

Walmart? That just seems so... so... profane! Shouldn't we be buying these things from places with names like "Eastern Orthodox Christian Goods," having them blessed by a priest after sitting on an altar for 40 days, not allowing pets to touch them, keeping them out of bathrooms and utility rooms even when we want to clean them, etc.?  Huh  Tongue

A rug on an Altar... Tongue The only thing that goes on my rug is me (without shoes on). Smiley
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 03:15:12 PM »

The trouble is that when I google "prayer rug," I have a lot of hits pertaining to islamic prayer rugs, which I am trying to stay away from.

Why? Islamic prayer rugs are usually very good value for money (you can get really nice ones for less than $20), perfect size for a prayer corner, and it's not difficult to find plain ones without Islamic symbols that would be suitable for Christian use.

If it has no overtly Islamic symbols, and is not used to recite Islamic prayers, it's just a rug.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 04:19:59 PM »

I just have a small Persian looking rug at my prayer corner that I stand on. I bought it from Meijer (kind of like Wal-Mart but not as sleazy and more local to Michigan and a few other states near by) for pretty cheap. I'd say stay away from Wal-Mart and buy a rug at a local store or online if you can't find a local store.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 04:26:05 AM »

A shia Pakistanian Friend Has rug for Praying on, Never noticed any islamic designs on it ,  just  a niche designs when he points it, to pray towards ...and thats North East.....He forgot to put it away once, after his prayers ,i happen to come over that day for a visit and walked all over it with my shoes , he was so upstep...He put it in the washer after that, never left his rug out anymore after that...  Grin


The trouble is that when I google "prayer rug," I have a lot of hits pertaining to islamic prayer rugs, which I am trying to stay away from.

Why? Islamic prayer rugs are usually very good value for money (you can get really nice ones for less than $20), perfect size for a prayer corner, and it's not difficult to find plain ones without Islamic symbols that would be suitable for Christian use.

If it has no overtly Islamic symbols, and is not used to recite Islamic prayers, it's just a rug.
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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 06:40:25 AM »

when our church got new carpets, they were throwing out the scraps, and now i have genuine left-over free church carpet by the side of my bed  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 07:42:29 AM »

Islamic prayer rugs are usually very good value for money (you can get really nice ones for less than $20), perfect size for a prayer corner, and it's not difficult to find plain ones without Islamic symbols that would be suitable for Christian use.

Thank you for an idea. Middle Eastern-ish carpets are usually quite expensive here in Finland and it has never occurred to me to seek for a prayer rug. I hope that they are sold for a cheaper price than regular carpets. Of course prayer rugs might be rather small but they are still quite beautiful,
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2011, 08:25:18 AM »

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The trouble is that when I google "prayer rug," I have a lot of hits pertaining to islamic prayer rugs, which I am trying to stay away from.

Why? Islamic prayer rugs are usually very good value for money (you can get really nice ones for less than $20), perfect size for a prayer corner, and it's not difficult to find plain ones without Islamic symbols that would be suitable for Christian use.

If it has no overtly Islamic symbols, and is not used to recite Islamic prayers, it's just a rug.
You have to know what you are looking at: I cannot tell you how many Churches have the Islamic Creed in them because they cannot read Arabic calligraphy.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2011, 08:47:19 AM »

Han er sannelig oppstanden!

You have to know what you are looking at: I cannot tell you how many Churches have the Islamic Creed in them because they cannot read Arabic calligraphy.

That's surprising. I have trouble reading Arabic calligraphy, but when I see it on a rug I tend to assume that it's something other than the Jesus Prayer.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2011, 01:09:25 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2011, 01:46:58 PM »

Walmart? That just seems so... so... profane! Shouldn't we be buying these things from places with names like "Eastern Orthodox Christian Goods," having them blessed by a priest after sitting on an altar for 40 days, not allowing pets to touch them, keeping them out of bathrooms and utility rooms even when we want to clean them, etc.?  Huh  Tongue

Is that sarcasm?
If not... Hey, if it's blessed, it's ok, it doesn't matter where you get it. As far as I'm aware, even the churches in Greece have normal rugs and they aren't "special" from Orthodox stores.
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2011, 01:49:04 PM »

As far as I'm aware, even the churches in Greece have normal rugs and they aren't "special" from Orthodox stores.
Same at my temple. Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 02:10:15 PM »

Han er sannelig oppstanden!

You have to know what you are looking at: I cannot tell you how many Churches have the Islamic Creed in them because they cannot read Arabic calligraphy.

That's surprising. I have trouble reading Arabic calligraphy, but when I see it on a rug I tend to assume that it's something other than the Jesus Prayer.

I HATE reading Arabic calligraphy. Anything outside of typewritten Arabic, I can't figure out. I just tell people that any inscription is the shahada.   Grin
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2011, 04:03:25 PM »

just keep working at it. once you start figuring out that the letters all have fairly standard calligraphic forms, you can start working them out.
my arabic-english Bible has amazing calligraphy on the front saying 'holy book' (kitaab al muqaddas).

remember that there were Christians in the arabian peninsula very early on (galatians 1:17), lets hold on to all that is beautiful in that culture  Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2011, 04:11:28 PM »

Walmart? That just seems so... so... profane! Shouldn't we be buying these things from places with names like "Eastern Orthodox Christian Goods," having them blessed by a priest after sitting on an altar for 40 days, not allowing pets to touch them, keeping them out of bathrooms and utility rooms even when we want to clean them, etc.?  Huh  Tongue

Is that sarcasm?
If not... Hey, if it's blessed, it's ok, it doesn't matter where you get it. As far as I'm aware, even the churches in Greece have normal rugs and they aren't "special" from Orthodox stores.

Is the answer to this question... yes? Smiley

Yes, I was just joking about it, and partly poking fun at myself, because I did spend a bit of time looking around the net for an genuine and authentic Orthodox prayer rug   angel
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2011, 10:16:42 PM »

My former parish used oriental rugs.
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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2011, 11:51:24 AM »

Are these used similar to the more famous prayer rugs in Islam? I wasn't aware of them, it's interesting.
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« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2011, 09:13:14 PM »

The trouble is that when I google "prayer rug," I have a lot of hits pertaining to islamic prayer rugs, which I am trying to stay away from.

Why? Islamic prayer rugs are usually very good value for money (you can get really nice ones for less than $20), perfect size for a prayer corner, and it's not difficult to find plain ones without Islamic symbols that would be suitable for Christian use.

If it has no overtly Islamic symbols, and is not used to recite Islamic prayers, it's just a rug.

I agree that they are beautiful and you can get some for a good price, but if you're going to use it in conjunction with prayer or in an icon corner make sure you know what you have. Most have illustrations such as the Ka'aba, al-Aqsa Mosque, etc. If there are inscriptions on them, know what it says, because it's most likely the Shahdah (Islamic profession of faith), Mohammed's name, or ayah's from the Quran. If it's void of these things, then it's just an ordinary rug and should be OK.
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2011, 09:18:44 PM »

Christ is risen!
The trouble is that when I google "prayer rug," I have a lot of hits pertaining to islamic prayer rugs, which I am trying to stay away from.

Why? Islamic prayer rugs are usually very good value for money (you can get really nice ones for less than $20), perfect size for a prayer corner, and it's not difficult to find plain ones without Islamic symbols that would be suitable for Christian use.

If it has no overtly Islamic symbols, and is not used to recite Islamic prayers, it's just a rug.
You have to know what you are looking at: I cannot tell you how many Churches have the Islamic Creed in them because they cannot read Arabic calligraphy.

I have seen that once in a church. There was a small rug and noticed calligraphy around the edges, which I noticed was Ayat ul-Kursi. While it's a beautiful statement attributed to God, it's a Koranic verse,  which really does not need to be in an Orthodox temple.
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2011, 09:52:39 PM »

If Orthodox Christians want a prayers rug, Get one with a double headed Byzantine Eagle on it...i bought two [Tsrnagorska/Srbske Krune] Montenegro/serbian crowns, with the byzantine two headed eagles on top...One i wear proudly everywhere ,though a Ethiopian Orthodox Christian approched me and asked if i was clergy,he noticed the hat ,it really does resemble the kamilavka's the Orthodox Clergy wear  , I said no ,and showed him the byzantine gold embroidered double headed eagle on top.. .... Grin  But never the less i still wear it proudly ,where ever i go.... Grin
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« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2011, 11:28:20 PM »

If Orthodox Christians want a prayers rug, Get one with a double headed Byzantine Eagle on it..

They give you those type of rugs only when you become a bishop Wink
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2011, 12:41:14 AM »

If Orthodox Christians want a prayers rug, Get one with a double headed Byzantine Eagle on it..

They give you those type of rugs only when you become a bishop Wink

One May be able to purchased them in Serbian shops, or if not ,in Orthodox religious Goods stores that seem sell about everthing....... police
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2011, 02:26:04 AM »

If Orthodox Christians want a prayers rug, Get one with a double headed Byzantine Eagle on it..

They give you those type of rugs only when you become a bishop Wink

One May be able to purchased them in Serbian shops, or if not ,in Orthodox religious Goods stores that seem sell about everthing....... police

Those round rugs with the eagles on them are for Bishops to stand on, they should not be used by non-bishops.
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« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2011, 02:47:55 AM »

If Orthodox Christians want a prayers rug, Get one with a double headed Byzantine Eagle on it..

They give you those type of rugs only when you become a bishop Wink

One May be able to purchased them in Serbian shops, or if not ,in Orthodox religious Goods stores that seem sell about everthing....... police

Those round rugs with the eagles on them are for Bishops to stand on, they should not be used by non-bishops.

Why shouldn't they.....What's wrong just using one to kneel and pray on......The Byzatine two Head eagle is on alot of things....Shirts ,jackets ,Flags, My hat , cups ,plates so and so ....... Huh
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