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Offline casisthename

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this may be a dumb question...
« on: May 14, 2011, 08:46:41 AM »
If other Christian churches have just as valid of sacraments as the Orthodox Church ...is it really worth converting if it causes significant issues?

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 09:09:53 AM »
Who said that other Churches have valid sacraments? The EOC wouldn't say that.

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2011, 09:15:19 AM »
Worshipping in Spirit and in truth requires faithfulness to what you know to be true, especially when it comes down recognizing God for who He is as He has revealed Himself to us and how He relates to us. An important part of ancient Christian belief is recognizing the Church as the body of Christ empowered by the Holy Spirit. Church isn't where you simply go just to receive sacraments, it's about being a member of Christ serving Him in His Body which He established.
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 10:13:56 AM »
Who said that other Churches have valid sacraments? The EOC wouldn't say that.
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2011, 10:14:17 AM »
If other Christian churches' sacraments were just as valid, they'd be Orthodox.  ;)

The major difference between Orthodoxy and other expressions of Christianity is not in the sacraments alone. If it were, there would be little need to convert unless one were a junkie for elaborate ceremonies.

Orthodoxy emphasizes aspects of Christianity that are almost entirely unknown when compared Christianity as it is understood and practiced in the west. Consequently, it comes as a profound revelation and delight to western seekers. I would go so far as to assert that most American Christians have no idea what, in fact, Christianity is. It's a vast subject--one not well served by a mere comment.

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Your priest may have meant that in a very broad sense; eg, a married Christian is married by the Church, regardless of the denomination in which he or she was married (provided it is acknowledged as a mainstream Christian denomination). The covenant is between the persons being married and God; the denomination is secondary. The church also accepts Baptisms from some other--not all--churches.

As william (below) suggests, the Orthodox are quite comfortable with ambiguity. That, in itself, is very un-Western. Very.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 10:14:48 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2011, 10:21:01 AM »
If other Christian churches have just as valid of sacraments as the Orthodox Church ...is it really worth converting if it causes significant issues?

If (and that's an if that is debated) other groups had valid sacraments, it might still be worth converting. Orthodoxy has more than just sacraments, including a unique liturgical/prayer life, a unique approach to salvation and living the life in Christ, and so forth. Still, if the Anglicans or Catholics (or whoever) did have valid sacraments, that would be important to know as part of the considerations for staying or going from your present group.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2011, 10:21:38 AM »
The priest was merely giving you his theological opinion. The Church has no dogmatized official position on the matter but a significant amount of the Orthodox believe that there are no sacraments outside the Church.
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2011, 10:22:09 AM »
Not saying anything disrespectful about the Priest, but he is way off base if he thinks that the EOC and the RCC are basically the same Church.

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2011, 10:23:34 AM »
The priest was merely giving you his theological opinion. The Church has no dogmatized official position on the matter but a significant amount of the Orthodox believe that there are no sacraments outside the Church.
Exactly.

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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2011, 10:35:51 AM »
Not saying anything disrespectful about the Priest, but he is way off base if he thinks that the EOC and the RCC are basically the same Church.

actually he was referencing Lutheran (Missouri synod) sacraments

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2011, 12:57:14 PM »
Not saying anything disrespectful about the Priest, but he is way off base if he thinks that the EOC and the RCC are basically the same Church.

actually he was referencing Lutheran (Missouri synod) sacraments

What jurisdiction does he belong to?
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2011, 11:17:40 PM »
Not saying anything disrespectful about the Priest, but he is way off base if he thinks that the EOC and the RCC are basically the same Church.

actually he was referencing Lutheran (Missouri synod) sacraments
That's a bit unusual. The lack of an apostolic hierarchy generally counters that point.