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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 04:38:43 PM »
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Depends on your definition of ecumenism, and if you refer to the heresy or to relations with other groups.

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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2011, 04:45:54 PM »
There is more than one attitude as to what qualifies as ecumenism and more than one attitude concerning ecumenism within Orthodoxy.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2011, 05:22:55 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though. What comes after that is a matter of discission but this is the basis of which all agree. That doesn't of course mean that all non-EOs are going to hell or that there couldn't be some kind of invisible link between EOs and, say, OOs but that doesn't change our basic ecclesiological stance.

I believe that OOs think the same about their Church.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2011, 05:33:26 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though.

That's not true. I've met plenty of EO's who extend the Church beyond the boundaries of the mainstream Eastern Orthodox communion.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2011, 05:36:41 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though.

That's not true. I've met plenty of EO's who extend the Church beyond the boundaries of the mainstream Eastern Orthodox communion.

Depends on what you mean by that. The heavenly church extends beyond the boundaries of the mainstream EO communion. So in essence, the Church does. But on earth, it is material and has a limit.

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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2011, 05:42:36 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though.

That's not true. I've met plenty of EO's who extend the Church beyond the boundaries of the mainstream Eastern Orthodox communion.

Depends on what you mean by that. The heavenly church extends beyond the boundaries of the mainstream EO communion. So in essence, the Church does. But on earth, it is material and has a limit.

No, that's not what I mean. For instance, plenty of EO just say, point blank, that the EO and OO are conjointly the Church.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2011, 05:51:15 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though.

That's not true. I've met plenty of EO's who extend the Church beyond the boundaries of the mainstream Eastern Orthodox communion.

Well it depends how we understand the limits of Eastern Orthodox Church. For example mainstream EOs agree that both ROCOR and MP were part of the Church even though they were not in communion and had differing opinions on some points.

In the same way I'd like to believe that somehow and some way OOs are part of the Eastern Orthodox Church despite the way too long separation. Same goes for Old Calendarists. So I don't think the limits of the Church are black and white. Of cource this kind of irenic attitude has it's limits since we don't believe in ecclesiological relativism or in Anglican Branch theory. I don't believe that Catholics or Anglicans are part of the Church since our Faith differs so much from their's.

I know that this sound a bit illogical. But the history of the Church doesn't seem to fit in our neat theological boxes.



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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2011, 05:51:58 PM »
I was thinking about this lately...

Don't.  It will just mess you up.  Thought begets heresy.  Heresy begets retribution.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 06:09:00 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though.

That's not true. I've met plenty of EO's who extend the Church beyond the boundaries of the mainstream Eastern Orthodox communion.

Depends on what you mean by that. The heavenly church extends beyond the boundaries of the mainstream EO communion. So in essence, the Church does. But on earth, it is material and has a limit.

No, that's not what I mean. For instance, plenty of EO just say, point blank, that the EO and OO are conjointly the Church.

That isn't the same as suggesting that the EO and RCC are, or the EO and any other group... You know that. Even when some OO monks refer to the "Orthodox Church" they often include EO Churches in that. You and I both know the situation between EO & OO and the EO/OO & other churches isn't the same.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2011, 06:35:12 PM »
Even the most ecumenical minded EOs still think that the Eastern Orthodox Church is the true Church though.

That's not true. I've met plenty of EO's who extend the Church beyond the boundaries of the mainstream Eastern Orthodox communion.

Depends on what you mean by that. The heavenly church extends beyond the boundaries of the mainstream EO communion. So in essence, the Church does. But on earth, it is material and has a limit.

No, that's not what I mean. For instance, plenty of EO just say, point blank, that the EO and OO are conjointly the Church.

That isn't the same as suggesting that the EO and RCC are, or the EO and any other group... You know that. Even when some OO monks refer to the "Orthodox Church" they often include EO Churches in that. You and I both know the situation between EO & OO and the EO/OO & other churches isn't the same.

Devin has a post up for post of the year on this subject in the post of the year 2010 competition on the Board News forum which is worth reading.  http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php/topic,28122.msg443182.html#msg443182

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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2011, 12:45:15 AM »
I was thinking about this lately...

Don't.  It will just mess you up.  Thought begets heresy.  Heresy begets retribution.
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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2011, 10:13:07 AM »
I was thinking about this lately...

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Re: What is the general position of the Orthodox Church on ecumenism?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2011, 03:54:36 PM »
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