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« on: May 14, 2011, 04:27:30 PM »

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Should we Christians have a Guru like hindus (I mean a Christian Guru of course)?
Should we also read book and discuss with other people or is our Guru suffient? If Guru is enough then why go to other people?


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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2011, 04:36:28 PM »

I don't know what exactly a Hindu guru does, so I don't know how close it would be to a Christian concept, such as the spiritual father (and even the concept of a spiritual father can vary greatly, e.g. it can be nothing more than someone to get advice from, or it could be someone that a monk confesses everything they've thought about to, and everything in between).
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2011, 04:53:49 PM »

I don't know what exactly a Hindu guru does, so I don't know how close it would be to a Christian concept, such as the spiritual father (and even the concept of a spiritual father can vary greatly, e.g. it can be nothing more than someone to get advice from, or it could be someone that a monk confesses everything they've thought about to, and everything in between).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bEDHXCXqWg&feature=channel_video_title
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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2011, 06:34:07 PM »

Thank you, though I'm still not sure I understand. He switches from talking about gurus to talking about Jesus, but is he then saying that we should submit to a guru (person) as we would a guru? Or that we should follow a guru as part of submission to Christ? Or have I misunderstood totally?
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2011, 06:53:41 PM »

Often times Gurus are worshiped as gods and followed unquestioningly.

So no.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 07:40:25 PM »

We have Bishops and priests, why do we need a guru?  The Guru's job is to give spiritual counselling, and to point the chela (disciple's) way to God.  We have the way to God, his name is Jesus, and the method by which we are saved through the blood of the Lamb can only be found by following the teachings of the Church.  It is good to have a teacher, but that is what the church clergy are for.
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« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 04:01:37 PM »

This may not be all that relevant to the original question, but in a related topic...The Eastern Catholic Rite , Syro-Malabar of India has an icon of 'Christ the Guru'. Sanskrit term guru is a combination of gu, "darkness," and ru, "that which dispels".

It is not the most common icon among the Syro-Malabar by any means, but it is common.


This icon was written by Fr. Joy Elamkunnapuzha (a Syro-Malabar Catholic priest from the Carmelite order CMI) in 1977. There is a mosaic of this on the facade of the Chapel at Dharmaram College in Bangalore, India. Dharmaram College is a seminary of the CMI order with in the Syro-Malabar Eastern Rite.

In this icon Christ is seated in padmaasana, the lotus posture. The hand gestures show jnaanamudra, the sign of imparting knowledge and wisdom that dispel darkness.

The above is not a photograph of the original icon written by Fr. Joy in 1977 but rather is a photograph of an oil painting made by Mr.Manoj in 1993 based on the original icon written by Fr.Joy.
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 04:04:15 PM »

sorry.. posted a second time.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 04:09:39 PM »

This icon was written by Fr. Joy Elamkunnapuzha
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2011, 04:19:09 PM »

Yes, written. In the Orthodox Church (Oriental Orthodox also), we say an icon is written because it is not simply supposed to be a pretty painting people look at. It tells us a story about either a saint's life, or biblical event etc.

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2011, 07:55:28 PM »

We should have a spiritual father who guides us. OK I get that. How should we deal with listening to other spiritual people? they may say something else than the spiritual father and wouldn't that just confuse us?
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 06:49:24 AM »

We should have a spiritual father who guides us. OK I get that. How should we deal with listening to other spiritual people? they may say something else than the spiritual father and wouldn't that just confuse us?
Swami Sivananda (whose ashram Mother Gravilia, the "ascetic of Love", visited for a while in India) expressed a basic element of spiritual practice: "Listen to all, but follow one. Respect all, but adore one. Gather knowledge from all, but adopt the teachings of one Master. Then you will have rapid spiritual progress."
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