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« on: May 15, 2011, 03:05:25 PM »

The National Inflation Association recently released an excellent documentary on the crisis in college education. Students are taking out enormous loans with the belief that the benefits of possessing a degree outweigh the costs and burden of debt. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone willing to watch this documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE&feature=player_embedded

Note : I did not put this in the political forum because I believe it is a purely financial discussion. I would really hope to exclude politics so as to keep this thread in the public fora.
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 04:51:57 PM »

Colleges are basically a big scame these days.  You spend God only knows how much money to educate either yourself or your children and you end up learning nothing but left wing gypperish (Let alone the immoral atmopshere that you are exposed to on a regular basis in most college dorms).

The biggest mistake in my life was going to a four year college.  All that money for a degree which, at poresent leaves me unemployed.  I should have listened to my grandmother and gone to a vocational school instead and picked up a trade.
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 05:14:17 PM »

The National Inflation Association recently released an excellent documentary on the crisis in college education. Students are taking out enormous loans with the belief that the benefits of possessing a degree outweigh the costs and burden of debt. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone willing to watch this documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE&feature=player_embedded

Note : I did not put this in the political forum because I believe it is a purely financial discussion. I would really hope to exclude politics so as to keep this thread in the public fora.

I watched it today...it seems to be making the rounds. Although I live in Canada and my situation is not quite as bad as American students; as a recent graduate I strongly agree with the message. At the same time, I feel that the film missed it's mark on some of the things it said. University, in my estimation, should not be a job-making factory. This documentary only took issue with the fact that university graduates were being misled, the standards were being lowered, costs were increasing as a result of gov't interference etc. All points that need to be made and should be discussed. What was not addressed is the actual point of university--it is assumed that a person is in university to get a job (this was mentioned in the documentary intro). After recently completing my undergrad degree, I am left cold. Society wants me to essentially buy into the money-making, "wage slave," buy a house in the suburbs, etc ideal. Heck, these people sound like they want me to do that. The only difference is how they want me to do it.

400 years ago, in medieval Europe, the degree I hold would place me amongst the elite of the elite. Nowadays, it is next to useless because it can not be directly translated into a money-making career.
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2011, 12:56:26 PM »

Interesting. I think that far too many students go to college now days. Unless you are going into a field that requires a four year degree, or are planing on being an academic (professor), what is the point? It's way too expensive to go to college "just because that's what my family does". In many fields, skills are better learned through experience. Besides, most of what is taught in Universities is tantamount to indoctrination or simple waste.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2011, 03:39:30 AM »

The National Inflation Association recently released an excellent documentary on the crisis in college education. Students are taking out enormous loans with the belief that the benefits of possessing a degree outweigh the costs and burden of debt. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone willing to watch this documentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE&feature=player_embedded

Note : I did not put this in the political forum because I believe it is a purely financial discussion. I would really hope to exclude politics so as to keep this thread in the public fora.

I watched it today...it seems to be making the rounds. Although I live in Canada and my situation is not quite as bad as American students; as a recent graduate I strongly agree with the message. At the same time, I feel that the film missed it's mark on some of the things it said. University, in my estimation, should not be a job-making factory. This documentary only took issue with the fact that university graduates were being misled, the standards were being lowered, costs were increasing as a result of gov't interference etc. All points that need to be made and should be discussed. What was not addressed is the actual point of university--it is assumed that a person is in university to get a job (this was mentioned in the documentary intro). After recently completing my undergrad degree, I am left cold. Society wants me to essentially buy into the money-making, "wage slave," buy a house in the suburbs, etc ideal. Heck, these people sound like they want me to do that. The only difference is how they want me to do it.

400 years ago, in medieval Europe, the degree I hold would place me amongst the elite of the elite. Nowadays, it is next to useless because it can not be directly translated into a money-making career.
I unfortunately agree with you. Society is so materialistic that it sees education as only a means to an end. The belief that knowledge is only useful when it can manifest material wealth is a problem. That said, the only reason I would return to college is if I needed certification for a particular job. With the technology of our modern age and our vast resources, I can readily learn anything I choose without attending a university.
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2011, 03:43:01 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2011, 03:45:06 AM »

Accusations that the NIA is a scam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0LrDzJRMRI
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